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trafficking were given cover and pay by joining in the Contra supply chain" significantly distorts what the Report said: "The private efforts on behalf of the
Contras attracted a number of drug traffickers who understood full well the high priority the U.S. government gave to the war against Nicaragua. Testimony before the Subcommittee revealed narcotics traffickers were particularly astute in offering to assist the Contras in an effort to not only protect their operations but also to avoid prosecution for their activities as well. This technique is known as "ticket punching." Thus the practice of ticket punching was a technique of drug traffickers, not the US government. Yet the clear implication of the statement in the article is that this was a technique of the US government to RECRUIT the traffickers. This is not what the Report said. The claim that Oscar Blandon received 'political asylum' is more distortion. Blandon did not receive political asylum;
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drug trafficking. This is not immediately clear from the article. Perhaps we could mention the leak of North's notebooks which very much illuminate the issue -- such as the part in his notebooks where he says "Honduran DC-6 which is being used for runs out of New
Orleans is probably being used for drug runs into U.S." This corroborates the general thesis of the Kerry report: specifically, that although North was clearly a crucial enabler for the traffickers, he was almost certainly not a participant in their trafficking activities and there is no evidence he derived any personal benefit from them. The declassified documents collected at the National Security Archive are good primary sources for this, as is the Kerry report.
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battle strategy -- specifically, terrorism and the wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians (as nearly all human rights reports from the era confirm)... North was an avid supporter of these tactics, famously earning him the name "Blood and Guts." I'll look up some good, credible quotes from a reputable source such as
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Because it is precise, and it is helpful to readers to distinguish whether this is the
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In multiple places this article incorrectly implies that the charges against North were found to be incorrect. The only time any of these claims actually have a source is footnote 17, which links to an article that never says this. If you want people to trust
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There's a whole article about that. Whoever decided to have the first paragraph dedicated to the Iran Contra scandal instead of, you know, the VERY INDIVIDUAL THIS PAGE IS ABOUT should be banned and have 100% of their input on this site removed. If I want to read about Contra, I can do so by checking
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If somebody doesn't know who ran Iran in the mid-80's.....they need to keep reading. If your intent here is to make clear that North was trading with a
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A federal judge on Monday dropped all criminal charges against Oliver L. North, the central figure in the Iran-Contra scandal, ending a saga that the former White House aide characterized as “five years of fire.” U.S. District Judge
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whose major claims were rejected by DoJ and House investigations. Primary source claims of this nature are insufficient per WP:REDFLAG. The third citation is primary source material from the aforementioned DoJ report; it doesn't mention North. Furthermore, the absence of the DoJ's conclusion at the
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There seems to be a lot of pro-North bias in this article. For example, how relevant is that his opponent received "only" 46%? "Only" reveals a judgment that should be left to the reader. I've noticed several other parts with similarly slanted language, but am on my phone so can't fix / make a more
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Oliver North is now also implicated along with the CIA in the killing of
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I should correct what I wrote above. Blandon did receive political asylum, in 1985, according to the DOJ-OIG report, Chapter II Section A. However, the DEA did not open a case against Blandon until August 1986 (soon after this the FBI and LASD also opened cases). Thus the article still errs in
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The 40-count indictment did not make any mention of previous accusations that one of the defendants, Mousa Hawamda, took part in a plot to assassinate a senior U.S. official. The target of the alleged plot has been identified as Oliver North, who helped plan the 1986 aerial bombing of
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I see the above user has been banned indefinitely since February 2013 but I will respond here anyway. I just wanted to say that the link to the source of this allegation doesn't work. However, as I edit this section to add this reply, I see the URL of the source.
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might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony...Consequently, North's convictions were reversed. After further hearings on the immunity issue, Judge Gesell dismissed all charges against North on September 16, 1991."
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I think it's almost universally agreed that Iran-Contra was a "bad thing". The point here is Iran-Contra broke the law. Why it broke the law is noted in the article. Other than that....you tell me: why must it be noted that it was Khomeini's
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I am not saying this is wrong but I don't think this would be an email as we generally understand it in 2021. The internet and emails as we know them came out around 1991. Does this need clarification in the main script?
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I assume the fact that the page is locked is somehow related to the lack of mention in the first paragraph of the main thing the subject of the article is known for, ie his involvement in the Iran-Contra Affair?
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How is the word treason not mentioned once on a page about a man who sold arms to our enemies and used the proceeds to fund terrorism? Especially after he had been directly ordered not to do this by congress.
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This article indicates that Lt. Col. North died on 20 February. I've just seen him on the news with live commentary, Sunday, 23 February. I've looked for other indications of his demise and I see nothing.
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the very page that its first mention is linked to. Ruining this article for political reasons is ignorant, annoying, and downright treasonous. Fix this now so I don't have to log in and do it for you.
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Oliver North was a prominent reference in an American Dad episode where Stan Smith bought Oliver North's house and digs up his yard to find his gold. Can we get a blip about that?
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