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Catholics / Greek Orthodox went separate ways in 451 when the Copts refused to accept the Council of Chalcedon. The Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholics went separate ways in 1054 during the Great Schism. This left only the Greek Orthodox and Coptic Orthodox churches in Egypt. The current Coptic Catholic Church originated in the 1700s, when some Copts re-affirmed their allegiance to the Roman Catholic Church.
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