Talk:List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens

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media in a significant context to my knowledge (Such as the Krynoid, Krillitane, and Krargs, for instance) but there are also a lot of creatures who barely have a role in expanded media (Such as the Swampies, Shrivenzale, or Viperox, for example.) At a minimum, I definitely do agree with your stance, but I also feel that, even if we don't clean it out to the extent I'm proposing, we should probably determine some clear-cut form of inclusion criteria so that the list remains manageable and we don't have to debate specifics for every individual entity who is and who may be on the list.

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saying "How much screentime did this one have?" or "How important was this monster overall?" It leaves very little room for debating specific placements, with only a few unique exceptions existing per above, and provides a clear outline going forward. Very little information is lost since most episodes contain the bulk of their respective monster's info. It's really the only "feasible" solution to the problematic mess that is this list that I can think of, since otherwise this list will only grow harder to navigate and more difficult to improve upon in the future.

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in primary sources, and touching on spin-off material would additionally open the floodgates to including monsters from spin-offs, of which there are hundreds to thousands, and many of whom have recurred in significant capacities. I worry this kind of thing would either be exclusionary, or make the list downright impossible to manage without splits, most of which would be problematic quality wise as well. It's why I proposed my original point, as the primarily known appearances of monsters are often at their debut episodes.

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very likely search targets and have appeared in a variety of media over the years, and it would be much better for readers to get an understanding of them from simple prose rather than scroll through numerous episode summaries and other articles to get a better understanding of them. I'm not saying everyone and their mother deserves like three paragraphs or something, but I feel in some cases prose is more beneficial than a notes box.

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arbitrary. The "keep" list includes many one-off monsters: Adipose, Blowfish, Chelonians, Eternals, Fendahl, Graske, Rutan, Shadow Kin, Stenza, Sycorax, Vashta Nerada and Voord. Truly cutting the page down to aliens that have appeared in more than one story would leave maybe a dozen characters — Daleks, Cybermen, Sontarans, Weeping Angels, Ice Warriors — all of whom already have their own pages.

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are not even the main focus, feels like it'll result in the list being hard to navigate when it'd be easier to redirect to the episode in question, where the exact same information is included in the episode's plot. Per above, I'm perfectly to loosen up criteria, but I feel there's a big difference between something like the Shrivenzale and the Krynoid.

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individual redirects happens on a case by case. Pretty much all the information on most of my redirect proposals are already at the articles I targeted, and anything missing can be added rather easily while still keeping page history via the redirect should it be needed. This is not a deletion, and moreso a reorganization of content.

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way, the article proper is now encouraging people to create links to it for single-appearance species like Argolins even though they have no article of their own: don't link something to a list entry if there's nothing there except the fact the creature appears in the episode article you're linking from.

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I've created several redirects for many of them already, and many are outside the scope of this list. The broken anchors are coming from them being linked to a section instead of to the redirect. I'm still working through the list so I'll hit up stray anchors or missing redirects as I go. Still, I'll

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But yeah, per your statement on how confusing it would be to determine exact inclusion criteria, it's why I initially proposed such drastic cuts. Saying "are they a recurring character or not" or "Are they easily able to be redirected with minimal damages to reader comprehension" is much simpler than

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But at the end of the day, that's a judgment call that only leads to arguments. How much of the story does a monster have to be in? (The Draconians are in a lot of Frontier in Space, but are they the main focus?) How do you apply that standard to a 21st century story that's only 45 minutes long? (Yes

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I ask moreso in the sense of monsters who have appeared in the main show, per my concerns that I laid out in my earlier comment. I feel there should be at least some form of basic criteria for them, since the list being cluttered with minor monsters from various one-off episodes, especially those who

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I'm thinking about criteria that could be a less drastic cut. One idea is to cut the characters that only appear in spin-offs and have never appeared on the actual TV show Doctor Who — ie, cut characters that only appeared in Torchwood, Sarah Jane Adventures, Class, novels, audio dramas, comics, etc.

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Adipose, Arcateenian, Bane, Blowfish, Catkind, Chelonian, Cyberman, Cybermat, Cybershade (Merge the latter two under Cybemen), Dalek, Dalek Puppet (Merge the latter), Eternal, Fendahl, Graske, Guardian, Hoix, Ice Warrior, Judoon, Kaled (Merge with Daleks), Macra, Mara (Admittedly unsure if this is an

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I would like to propose an edit: Instead of having the creature's names be linked to their first appearance, wouldn't it make more sense to have them redirect to their entry in the list proper? Perhaps the "Yes"s in the table could then be formatted to link to their first appearance. If we can reach

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I clicked on some of these terms, which appear to have active links, and the links bring one back to the term. It's crazy. Why have a link that opens a window and brings one back to the term that one clicked on to? It's useless. Unless a link is taking the reader to a different Knowledge article or a

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Put together, this should not only clean up bloat, but also allow for the article to be more encyclopedic in nature. If this proposal goes through, I'd be more than happy to make the necessary adjustments myself so as to not inconvenience other editors. I will of course handle rewrites on subpar and

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There are numerous issues with this article. Most notably, it's clogged with numerous aliens who were either minor spin-off antagonists, or never appeared outside of a small mention. Some are incredibly minor and don't have much notability beyond the episode of their debut. There is also an issue of

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There are zero references in the table. If allowed to list "every" creature in DW, there's no way any editor could ever verify it. If left to a core dozen creatures, it's pointless. What possible purpose does such a table serve anyway but to appease hardcore fankwankery? I think it should go. By the

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I will note I did mean the monsters from the show as well. Characters like the Vashta Nerada and Fendahl have treasure troves of big roles, while even minor monsters like the Axons and Krynoid have had recurring spin-off roles. This is partially what complicates things so much, since we either have

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I believe the problem that came up last time was determining what one-offs are "significant." Given everyone and their mother has shown up in spin-off material, the potential inclusion criteria is unclear. I would be fine with paring down the list if something feasible could be determined, and I do

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I do feel an ignorance towards spin-off material would be a bad idea, given that they were still published materials for the franchise, but my main concern with that is that this list would grow massively unwieldy if we covered everything, especially since most of those appearances are only covered

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I'm less so worried about the Chelonians in particular and moreso trying to make sure we preserve as much content from the list as possible while trimming the content. Per my above statement, I seek not to delete but merely to reorganize content for easier reading and better cleanliness. I do think

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TLDR: Blowfish, Chelonians, Eternals, Graske, Shadow Kin, Stenza, Vashta Nerada have appeared in enough significant capacities to where they are decently recurring. Voord have an article, and thus have to be included. Adipose, Fendahl, Sycorax, and Rutans are more iffy, but I do believe the Sycorax

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article, the prose helps the reader understand what each of the aliens are in a quick read. While I doubt anyone's searching for the Z'ros any time soon, many of these are decently notable individually even outside of the episodes they show up in. Things like the Sisterhood of Karn or the Thals are

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Should individual antagonists (I.e, stuff like The Beast, the Mara, and the Trickster) be removed and redirected to the villains list? (Which admittedly also needs work, but I plan to tackle that after I deal with the supporting characters list.) I feel they aren't really "creatures or aliens" per

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Trim the remaining entries down to a brief, encyclopedic description of the character, linking to their first appearance and mentioning any significant spin-off appearances. Remove specific plot details like you can currently see on the Krillitane entry, and remove random mentions like "the Doctor

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Admittedly, this is a conundrum I'm afraid I don't really know how to answer, in the end. It's either exclude spin-off material entirely and cull the list so that its quality and cleanliness is assured, or include practically everything, and have to constantly micromanage a list that will never be

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Additionally, I do worry where we'd put information for monsters who play notable roles in other series but not in the main show. Arcateenians play little to no role in Doctor Who, but there's no valid redirect target between their two appearances, and no separate list exists for monsters from the

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I do feel that's a good starting point for cleaning the list up, and I am fine with not being as drastic with cuts so long as the list becomes a bit more readable overall, but I do feel there are a lot of rather minor entries better off merged. Some of the one-offs I included do appear in spin-off

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Some form of criteria determining what should be included/what should be getting an infobox or not (Or if infoboxes should even be kept in the first place) should be determined. I'm unsure myself of what could potentially work, given a large bulk of aliens tend to recur more frequently in spin-off

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It's no problem- I greatly appreciate the insight. While I'm admittedly sad the list will still be as long as it is, I feel your points still stand on that a well written long list is better than a mediocre short list. I'll see if I can't improve this list to a far higher quality level over time,

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I don't quite understand how it's bad faith to simply move content to other articles? If a merge is more beneficial on certain subjects for retaining information, then that can be undertaken, but the content isn't exactly going anywhere; the target is just different now. Again, what will occur to

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As for the rest, I think it makes sense to put that information on the characters' first appearance — Arcateenians can go to Greeks Bearing Gifts, Chelonians can go to The Highest Science. If you're really worried about the Chelonians, who have never appeared on television at all, then maybe we

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Oh, I see what you mean. It's a tough question! I'm not sure there is a logical way to draw a line that isn't subjective. I get the distinction that you're making between the Shrivenzale and the Krynoid — the Shrivenzale only shows up in part of an episode, while the Krynoid is the big bad of a

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Redirect one-off one-off monsters away from the list and to their respective episode or story, removing their content on the list, given that the same information is included at their story's page. Recurring monsters and monsters deemed better covered by this page can remain, but the removal of

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I admittedly feel as though the villains list would benefit from an overhaul akin to this list, though I've been iffy on getting to it since I want to see how the supporting characters list would go first, since I'm iffy on how independently notable the concept of "villains" are from recurring

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Yeah, I agree that it should be a clear guideline. For example, under my proposal, the Bane would be cut, because (as far as I recall) they never appeared on TV in Doctor Who -- even if they're important in the Sarah Jane Adventures. Similarly, Arcateenians are solely Torchwood/Sarah Jane, the

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in countless Article for Deletion discussions: i.e., redirect and merge individual pages to the items on this list. It's bad faith to spend years merging other articles into this one, and then delete almost everything from the list. In addition, Pokelego999's list of cuts and keeps is entirely

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Hi, could I possibly raise a talk discussion for this page? Namely, the table of appearances. Frankly it's quite an eyesore. The vast, vast majority of it is simply large red 'no's, which seems to dominate the bulk of the entire page. It's not at all aesthetically pleasing, and the information

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Practically every character from the classic series appeared in a "four-part story" or a "six-part story", and almost everything has returned in one of the literally thousands of tie-in books, comics and audio dramas. I could rattle off a list of novels featuring the Movellans, the Zarbi, the

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I think that a list of Doctor Who aliens is inevitably going to be very long, because there's 60 years worth of stories and most of them have aliens in them. In my opinion, the only clear line is whether the character is in "Doctor Who" or not. If they are, then they're included in the long

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I agree with this proposal to redirect one-off monsters. I also agree that unnecessary infoboxes should be shortened or removed, but I believe that the notable creatures and aliens will still require an infobox, and all the images should still remain on the article. As for the Keeps and

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Eminence is just Big Finish audio, and Viperox only appears in Dreamland, so they'd be cut. For one-shot TV monsters, I don't think it would make sense to include some because they're also in audios, for example. Keeping Chelonians and cutting Krotons just doesn't make sense to me.

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Unknown which planet these fearsome creatures come from, their cloaks draped over their necks to give an impression that they had a head, but no. Their skin has been tied into a tight not where the head has been cut away. Remember, anyone could turn into one of these if you are not

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alien or a villain), Mentor, Nestene, Ogron, Ood, Rutan, Sea Devil, Shadow Kin, Silence, Silurian, Sisterhood of Karn, Slitheen (Merge Blathereen and Raxicoricofallapatorian), Sontaran, Stenza, Sycorax, Thal, Time Lord, Vashta Nerada, Voord, Weeping Angel, Weevil, Werewolf, Zygon

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About images: there's so many entities, for which ones would you justify images for? Given how many public domain images we have of monsters thanks to the various exhibitions, I feel it may end up cluttering the page and making it hard to navigate if every monster has an image.

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If we do want to shift to the Whoniverse style, I'd be willing to help with making the preliminary edits. I don't have the time quite yet to go through all the entries and sort them out, but I can probably help out with this in the interim (Adding the big ones and removing the

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Given the above we discussed for Arcateenians and such, I feel examples like the Vashta Nerada could probably be handled similarly. I do wish to clarify I did not mean to imply that all multi-part stories proved independence, that was an unfortunate miswording on my

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and Rutans qualify. Willing to debate the latter four, but I did state in my nomination I was more than willing to refine the list alongside more familiar editors, so feel free to debate my placements if you feel they're better off merged/redirected elsewhere.

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non-notable entries -- characters that were only mentioned, or appeared in the background, or only appeared on a website. Check out the history to see the no-hopers that I'm culling, like the Venusians, the Wallarians, and background critters from the Rings of

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Thanks for your answer; I'm rethinking my knee-jerk opposition. There is a ton of stuff on the page and it would be better if it were trimmed down. (It helped that somebody today added an entry for "The Kin", which appeared in a Neil Gaiman story in a spinoff

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If I remember right there used to be descriptions of each fictional life form on this page now there's just this chart. The problem is many of the fictional life forms don't have their own articles and redirect here. There should of been a better solution.

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characters and alien species. Realistically I could probably completely rewrite it in order to provide more value in the short term, though that would take some time given how many entities there are and how much spin-off material there is to comb through.

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but make frequent spin-off appearances and are referenced as a large part of the Sontarans' lore to the point it seems more beneficial to keep them here, though this one I feel is on shakier ground than the others. Shadow Kin were the main antagonists of

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I understand that the list of robots page has been nominated to be merged with this article, which I agree it should be. But now, in light of the "Whoniverse" term now being used in an official capacity, I'm wondering if we can make further changes by:

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Seems "Stingray" and "Flying Stingray" are the same, yet listed twice. I've only watched seasons 9 and 10, so please check me. I wouldn't want to introduce a mistake. Also, feel free to remove this entry after checking, whether I'm right or wrong.

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Honestly, I think the problem with this page is not the number of entries, but the fact that the existing entries are mostly very badly written. Well-written capsules for each creature would make for delightful reading, even if it's a long list.

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My basic argument here is that I don't think this page would be improved by cutting out 80% of the items. I don't think that would serve the readers who are almost certainly expecting more than Cybermen, Daleks, Ice Warriors and Weeping Angels.

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Also, most of the monsters you've cited are recurring? I'm admittedly iffy on Adipose and Fendahl (Who have more complex situations I felt might overcomplicate the nomination) but the others have re-appeared multiple times. Blowfish appear in

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using the available redirects to the relevant characters. Would it be possible for someone to create a rational set of redirects for these characters to simplify maintenance? I would volunteer, but I haven't watched Doctor Who in 40 years.

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The one that I proposed above: yes to monsters that have appeared in television episodes of Doctor Who, no to monsters who have only appeared in spin-off media (Torchwood, Sarah Jane Adventures, Class, animations, audios, books, games).

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media. In any case, it should probably be confined, at the bare minimum, to aliens who had a major role in an episode of the TV series, or to aliens who can have notability established if they are from spin-off media. For instance, the

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For the Cuts and Keeps Proposal, I'll list out my suggestions here, though this is in no way final and any disagreements can be resolved separately. Villains are redirected due to being singular antagonists more than uniform species.

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contained therein could surely be put across in a more succinct and accessible method. I'd be happy to make some changes myself, but I'd rather get some consensus first to see if anyone would object to this first. Please let me know.

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Sure! Examples to include: The Trickster, the 456, the Shadow Kin, Sutekh. Examples to take out: The Swarm; Time Zombies; Urbankan....basically one-off creatures who haven't appeared on TV or spin-off media since their debut.

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Thank you! And just to be clear, when suggesting creatures from spin-offs, I only mean ones from the "proper" TV ones (Torchwood, SJA, Class, that K9 show from Disney XD maybe? et.al) - the ones that are as canon as

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should the slitheen section be merged with raxacoricofallapatorian? the slitheen are only a subsection of the latter species, and i noticed that Autons were omitted for being a product of the nestene consciousness.

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I'm assuming the article was split into the subsection articles in order to accommodate the ghastly table. Can those be restored? The various species links around DW articles are now leading to this orphaned page.

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Additionally, depending on how many individual monsters remain, infoboxes and images should either be pruned or cleaned up due to how randomly scattered they are throughout the page and how much they clutter the

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Making sure the list only includes recurring and (one-off?) significant creatures, as I understand all non-significant one-off monsters are meant to be re-directed to their respective TV story/episode page...?

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Unfortunately, I think "recurring character" is problematic as well. You said above that you see the Vashta Nerada as "recurring" because a) it was a two-part story, and b) they also appeared in a video

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Ah got you, yeah I agree. One idea could bet to include monsters that have also appeared in spin-off media, as opposed to ones who've only appeared once on TV. That could lower the list considerably.

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your spin-offs method may work, though. (Perhaps with a mention that a species re-appeared in another episode, or went on to be recurring somewhere in the article? Might be a good middle ground.)

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For now I'll go through and see what can be gleamed of individual entries image-wise in the coming days. Rewriting the list overall will take a while, so I'll try to get what I can done soon.

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One was in Army of Ghosts, and the other was in Planet of the Dead. They were separate beings, but now "Stingray" (from the latter episode,) has been retitled "The Swarm" to allay confusion.

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Hi Bigwhofan! Just so that we understand what we're talking about, could you give a few examples of aliens you think we should add to the list, and a few that you think we should take out?

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I was thinking about taking entries like the Toymaker and Maestro over to the villains list, but then I looked at that page, and it's so dire that I hesitated to merge anything there. :)

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aliens, they don't really belong on this list. Perhaps a separate page could be created for them, though I doubt it would be useful. These entries specifically are likely unnecessary:

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That would take out about 50 characters. I know that's a lot less than you're proposing, but it would be a defensible line to draw, and it would be more clear what's in and what's out.

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though it will take a while given the number of entries and appearances that need to be covered. Thank you for talking this out with me. I feel this was greatly beneficial overall.

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the TV show - and not ones that originated/feature heavily in Big Finish, comics, novels etc. since DW spin-off media material is a minefield. But of course, we can say things like

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I feel like my words have been misunderstood. I meant to mean this discussion as in "The Sisterhood of Karn are not a separate alien race so they probably shouldn't be on here."

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and recurred throughout the series. The Stenza is iffier since most of their appearances were via Tim Shaw, but nonetheless they were the creators of the main antagonists of

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since they were involved in a prior discussion on this subject. I do feel what you've brought up is worth discussing, so I'd be happy to hear your thoughts on the matter.

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As an aside, Sutekh is a singular character, so I doubt we would add him to the species page. If anything, Osirans might be an inclusion to consider? But I'm not sure.

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one-offs will give them more breathing room. Should this route be taken, inclusion criteria should be determined so as to avoid future bloat by re-additions to the list.

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The information hasn't been lost, it's just been moved to subpages (which are linked from here). The redirects just need to be retargetted to the correct destination. --

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I see you're in the middle of a big reorganisation. My suggestion would be to ensure that each character or race has a redirect of its own (I've just made one for

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spin-off medias of origin for them and many other monsters. Would they be merged to the main parent article? (I.e, something like Blowfish being redirected to

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on top of their two part appearance, which seems pretty significant to the point that it seems beneficial to keep them. Voord were only included because the

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Yes, I suppose it does come down to how much information is necessary in a future revision. I'm not too keen on it, but it depends on how it turns out.

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It depends on how much in-universe description is removed. Long plot summaries of single episode aliens can probably be trimmed to a sentence or two.

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random infoboxes throughout the article. It's understandable for more notable aliens, but do we really need them on minor aliens like the Sky Fish?

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Sources from the last AfD of this article can be used in order to finally create a concise Reception section, which will give the article some meat.

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Gallifreyans as in the people on Gallifrey who aren't Time Lords. They moved to the planet of Karn after being banished from Gallifrey by Rassilon.

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Given the amount of entries, I feel infoboxes and images should be culled given that there simply isn't enough room for all of them to have one.

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that are being applied by a bot because the anchor or section title that the link used to refer to has been deleted or altered, and the page "

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Well, it's a problem for all those orphaned links now. Why was it a problem for a list article to be long? Isn't that kind of what they are?

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If you don't want to count the spin-off material and just count what's returned on television, then we end up with a list of a couple dozen.

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Redirects/Deletions, I trust the judgement of the nominator and other experienced editors on which entries should stay and which should go.

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The big Table of Appearances that makes up most of this article does not appear to me to meet Knowledge's basic criteria: it falls foul of

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Remove the characters that have only appeared on Torchwood and Sarah Jane Adventures, merging that info with their first appearance page.

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I think it was the other way round. The article got too long, so was split. This article then looked empty and the table appeared...?

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I'm afraid I know nothing about Lint errors, and I'm too busy to learn just now. The errors I'm seeing are "broken anchor" tags like

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is a link to the source article just before it was converted to a redirect, if someone wants to pull any other content over here.

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A small number of the creatures on this list have appeared exclusively in other media such as comics or print. While these may be

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2) Trim it down to creatures and aliens that had some lasting impact (as a start, cut anything that only appeared in one story).

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and its spin-offs on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this notice, or visit the

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resulted in trimming a lot of in-universe style prose, which eventually resulted in a list of appearances with a few notes.

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to ignore spin-off media, or try to establish some specific form of inclusion criteria that is imperfect to some degree.

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I totally agree about infoboxes - they're basically useless - but I think the images are helpful, and should be retained.

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Foamasi, the Krillitane, Draconians, Chronovores, and lots more, and the audios have probably covered most of the rest.

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What would you say would be a good inclusion threshold for DW monsters for the list? I'm curious to know your thoughts.

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Take out the random infoboxes, making sure that the entry contains the important info (basically the first appearance).

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Including recurring creatures that originated in the official TV spin-offs (Weevils, The Trickster, Corakinus, et.al).

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For now, I think I might try doing that and seeing how it goes. However, I do have a few queries about your proposal.

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able to grow smaller or be trimmed in any capacity. It's something that's nearly impossible to solve perfectly.

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Well, I do hope this kind of proposal still works. I'm having a little bit doubt after what happen to this

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This page has been messy for a while, and I feel the list is probably very fixable. My proposition is:

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I think it generally works to convey the necessary information, namely, where they have appeared.

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for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

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for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

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for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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on 23 July 2023. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see

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I think on Knowledge it is quite hard to cite non-academic sources, especially works of fiction.

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This AfD discussion ended with a "merge" to this article. However, I found that the relevant

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I think there are several things that we can do that would make a noticeable improvement.

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The Siterhood of Karn is comprised of merely Gallifreyans and are not another alien race.

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My main concern with the usage of a notes format is that, just from a brief read of the

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I think we keep the public domain pics that we currently have. There aren't that many.

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I was just providing a link to an edit summary where I made an opposing argument.

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have an article, and it would be remiss to not include an entity with an article.

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Sadly not notable enough... yet! I'll go find some sources tomorrow morning.

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if there are no replies to this suggestion by 10 March 2014 I am going to be

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and then got carried away tidying up. I'll leave you in peace. Best wishes,

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or whatever is appropriate--you just can't write it like a fictography (see

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The Skarasen was indirectly mentioned in the revived series (9th-11th) in

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saying it, and you're not notable enough to be cited on Knowledge.

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This article needs some cleanup, or some form of inclusion criteria

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so that anyone who disputes the changes can easily reverse them.

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and make the changes myself. I will provide links to each edit

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are probably noteworthy to include given their involvement in

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different section of the same article, they should be removed.

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I know nothing about Dr Who, so I'll not edit this myself but

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Please clarify. Added how? We already have an entry on the

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to the Hath, no to the Space Whale, maybe to the Minotaur?)

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List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens (0–9, A–G)

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a consensus I would be happy to start on the task myself.

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feel a "Whoniverse" rebrand may be something to consider.

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se, they're less of a species and more of an individual.

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1) Delete it (or transwiki it to the TARDIS wikia); or

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mentioned that he arm-wrestled with a Draconian once".

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try to get the bulk of those missing ones done soon.

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Okay, great! Thanks for talking with me about this.

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to determine whether its use and function meets the

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