Talk:List of compositions by Claude Debussy

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comes from other lists such as musicbrainz.org which has both versions of Lesure's catalogs, as well as imslp.org and viewing the scores; need to do more of this later. Several of the changes involve arrangements or alternate versions, where in a couple cases the original was not even listed in wikipedia. L/CD numbering updated for these different versions and the original. Lyricist names have been added in a few cases; need to complete this for all vocal works, later. Dates still need updating; will do that later (using musicbrainz which has months and sometimes days of composition years and both start date and completion date, though I think we should just stick to years). I've also "discovered" the origins (and L/CD numbers) of some of the 'uncataloged' titles Melodia added recently. Many changes are minor formatting corrections (including those for consistency) or spelling (diacritic) corrections.

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claimed it was spurious, and I went along with that by making a change in the Debussy bio article to remove the title. That was wrong of me, as it was pointed out that not only is there no evidence that it's spurious, but Lesure himself claimed it was authentically Debussy, just lost. Even after the discussion on the Debussy talk page, you are still claiming it's spurious or possibly spurious? You've not presented anything that would back up your claim or even suggest it. As for the catalog number, it's a shame the numbering got shifted down, but we do have to include Debussy's first composition in the list here, and the sort order needs to place it in order of CD number.

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confusing. All the evidence I can find shows that when record companies use the new Lesure catalogue, they call it "L" just as the old Lesure catalogue was called "L". Sure, it's confusing, just as there is some confusing usage of different K numbers for Mozart. But it's not the job of Knowledge to resolve the confusion by inventing something new. The fact that someone thinks what record companies actually do is "a bad idea" is not relevant, what's relevant is that it's what actually happens. Fully agree that a better approach would be to have two L columns and label them to indicate they refer to the old and new Lesure catalogues.

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albums, though the old L numbers are still used as well. We have no control over this mass confusion other than our mild attempt to use the CD designation side-by-side with the old L numbers in this wikipedia list (and the Chronological list). Who knows, maybe some savvy record label will see our wiki list and get wise and it'll catch on. Musicbrainz.org has already been maintaining very detailed lists using the CD and L designations, and even including updates to Lesure's 2001 catalog. Knowledge should continue this trend.

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included in the Lesure appendix doesn't make the list incomplete. I've removed the alert added to this page by Francis Schonken for this reason. The descriptive paragraph at the top of the page does say it is a "complete" list, but I've clarified that by adding the word "original". Nothing wrong with adding arrangements to the list as well, though I see some pages put arrangements on a different page altogether.

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imslp.org; the latter is cross-referenced frequently on Knowledge and appears designed to be used in conjunction. There are other wiki pages as well, and foreign Knowledge pages also use CD. The French Knowledge lists ONLY the CD numbers and not L, and calls them CD. You opened your post by saying "I cannot find any evidence" but you obviously didn't look before you spoke.

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add such tags to items in those referenced catalogs. If there is anything added to this list that is NOT in the official catalogs, but is an update with new information (such as a corrected date or alternate title or a translation), then a citation CAN be added but I don't think is necessary. For adding a newly discovered piece, then there should be a citation.

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list seems to have more accurate information than the Genre list, but the Genre list sometimes has additional information, plus it has audio files (the Chrono does not). I will now attempt to combine the data together, incorporating everything into the Genre list and then deleting the Chrono list preparatory to formatting the table. Saguaro-sun/

1057:: i.e., say where you got that abbreviation, not here on the talk page, but in the article itself with a decent reference to the most solid source where you saw that abbreviation used. If such source does not pass Knowledge's requirements for reliable sources then the CD abbreviation should probably better be avoided. 1351:

I'm not sure what official publication we're talking about here. Lesure's new catalogue was published in his biography of Debussy (published in 2003 after Lesure's death). At least 2 English-language books point to the Centre de Documentation Claude Debussy as being the home of Lesure's material (not

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Anyone know the source for the "Rapsodie in the Style of Liszt"? I seem to remember seeing that title in the late 70s or early 80s, but I don't remember if I saw the score. The title would suggest an early work, possibly around 1890 or 91, though it could be a student work from the early to late 80s.

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All updates/changes now done. Data from Chronological list incorporated into By Genre list, with plenty of adjustments, updates, and some new info. See individual edit descriptions for what's changed. I'll wait a bit, then format the whole Genre list into a sortable table (and subsequently delete the

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I wonder actually, does Lesure's revised catalog actually use "CD" for noting the numbers? I took it out of the library once (it was in French and not too helpful alas) and vaguely remember NO letters, just numbers. I actually was under the impression for a few years now since I discovered the second

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Except for those ones of Images and La Mer which I'd agree, I think you might have to expound on that a bit. I'm not sure what your reasoning for #1 is, but for #2 it's not like we're talking about some random Stokowski arrangement, pretty much all of these are contemporary by Debussy's own helpers.

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FWIW, Mozart's situation is COMPLETELY different. In Mozart's case (and in others such as Schubert and Liszt though those are far less pronounced) the original numbering system is kept, any changes are assigned a new number which was never used. This is very different from what we have with Debussy,

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I don't see anything at all indicating it was a 'publisher error'. There doesn't seem to be much conclusion at all, just confusion. But more importantly, you just can't make up a catalog number, or add info about "presuming" what may or may not happen. If I should "know how it works", so should you.

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Other students describe Debussy as forcefully "attacking" the piano when he played, which seems to be almost a description of Liszt's playing style, though Debussy always said he hated playing the piano, so that could be the reason for the attack. But I suspect the piece may be spurious. Saguaro-sun/

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1) Since we’re including transcriptions that Debussy made of pieces by others here, it is illogical and inconsistent to include trancriptions that others made of pieces by Debussy. If a a list of works by X includes transcriptions X made of pieces by Y, then it follows that transcriptions Y made of

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One person here seems to throw these tags around liberally where I don't feel they're needed or appropriate. As this is a list not a prose article, the citation for the entire list is given as the Lesure catalog which contains the lists that this Knowledge list is copied from. It's not necessary to

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Instead of listing the arrangements on the talk page here, why not put them in the list itself? The list is not "incomplete" just because arrangements are not included. It is complete in the sense that it lists every composition in the Lesure catalog. Omitting compositions without a number and only

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The compositions with missing numbers are well known (and I'd wager are firmly talked about by Lesure), and each has a note explaining their connection to other works in the catalog, are just student exercises in the case of the fugues -- which have been recorded --, or are further arrangements not

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As for the list here, we can't very well have two columns both called L# in the header, can we? How else are we to differentiate the two number sets? Most lists here are copied from IMSLP and there seems to be a concerted effort to synchronize WP with IMSLP. (Despite the notoriously numerous errors

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And just to being this back on the subject of "let's just make up stuff we think fits", is there any RS for Leisure's second version of his catalog being called "CD"? The complete works box set on Warner uses L, and I'm pretty sure I've seen other recordings using the newer catalog as well with L.

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However, to start with, the two existing lists are in conflict. With the Ravel lists, one list was an exact mass copy of the other; easy to just delete the Chrono list and make the Genre list into a sortable table. With the Debussy lists, they have been updated separately over the years. The Chrono

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Commenting on another suggestion above: instead of creating a third list in order of CD numbering, I think we should rather combine the two existing lists (Chrono and Genre) into a single TABLE list, initially in Genre order, but SORTABLE by either old L number or newer CD number. As I've done with

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I cannot find any evidence that anywhere besides this Knowledge page thinks that the new system numbers are called "CD" numbers. Everyone who uses the new numbering still calls it "L" for Lesure (in the same way that revisions of Mozart's catalogue have continued to use the letter "K" regardless of

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Re. "... the latest published edition of the "official" Lesure catalog calls the numbers "CD" to differentiate them from the earlier completely different numbering designated "L"" – question: do you actually have access to that catalogue? Or is this based on unreliable sources such as MusicBrainz?

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rather than the number itself, as has been pointed out elsewhere the latest published edition of the "official" Lesure catalog calls the numbers "CD" to differentiate them from the earlier completely different numbering designated "L". Some record labels seem to ignore this and call them L even if

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As I've noted under an earlier heading on this page, I can find zero evidence that anyone calls the new set "CD" numbers besides this Knowledge page, and Knowledge should not be in the business of inventing terminology just because someone considers the terminology actually used in the world to be

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Another approach could be something in the vein of "The column titled L refers to numbers in the 1977 edition of the Lesure catalogue; the column titled L refers to numbers in the 2001 edition of the same. The abbreviation L is used for both numbering systems (here follow one or more references to

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There are "citations needed" tags that have been added to all compositions without a Lesure number simply for that reason, but I can see that these are all in appendices or footnotes of the Lesure catalog, or are listed as arrangements under the composition that has a number (though I believe the

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Melodia is right about the Mozart K numbers being a different issue, since it is common to update old catalogs with more recent information and research, like corrected dates of composition that would require a piece in a chronological numbering system to be renumbered, or a newly discovered work

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I've seen that too (Noriko Ogawa's complete piano works on BIS for instance). But it's a bad idea. The numberings are so different that it just causes confusion. IMSLP calls the newer numbers "CD" throughout, and I see more uses of CD than L with the new numbers elsewhere... which is the trend we

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Combined Chrono and Genre lists completed (offline). Including newer CD numbering from Chrono (but still called L with old L in parentheses). Plenty of conflicts between the two lists, but the Chrono is more up to date. Some research done to make more accurate and resolve conflicts. Most research

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IMO the newer numbering of Lesure's 2001 catalog should be called "CD" to avoid confusion with the long-standing use of L numbers from the 1977 catalog. However, the newer numbers I see have occassionally been used in the past decade-and-a-half but with the designation "L", particularly on record

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That's a different subject, but I rather like that idea. However, there would be duplicates when two or more pieces are on the same page. How about we just number the appendix pieces in the order they're given in the catalog, which is chronological. This is how it's done for many other composers

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Not going to disagree about the arrangements though only ones not by Debussy are by Caplet who was a very close colleague and in at least one of the cases Debussy 'signed off' on it. As for the ones you take issue with because they aren't in the catalog, well the book I have (De Capo Catalog of

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Nobody's making up anything. The error is not Lesure's, it is the publisher's. Errata will be included in a new edition if they ever go into a second revised printing. We've already determined from Lesure's own notes that Ballade has been verified as Debussy's first composition. You originally

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See also the so-called "Etude Retrouvee" for piano solo (1915), realized by Roy Howat in 1979 from fairly complete sketches left by Debussy. Published by Theodore Presser Co. (for North America). I don't know if such a work belongs on a list of completed compositions, but it is musically a

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I do agree, however, that we should consider these (as always) on a case-by-case basis (guided by principles). Let’s start with Images and La Mer. I see no particular reason just now to retain these. I’ll wait to see if we can achieve consensus, or if someone can proffer a spirited defense.

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You're replying to a five-year old post in the middle of a thread, which is bad form. There are more recent posts which I see address this issue, including pointing out at least three other lists on the Internet that use the "CD" designation, including the well-respected musicbrainz.org and

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the Maurice Ravel lists in just that way, I will do so with the Debussy lists. Already the Chrono list has been updated with the newer CD numbers (but called L!) with the old L numbers (if any) in parentheses; these will be separated into separate CD and L columns in the forthcoming table.

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as "CD 0". I don't think it matters who or what made the error. The piece should be listed in our list, and with the numbers used in all versions of the catalog. If some catalogs, not just "official" ones, list a piece with an erroneous number, we can include that as a footnote.

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Go ahead and put the appendix numbers in. I don't think it's an obligation, but I won't stop you from adding them. You should also add Debussy's arrangements of other composer's works (that you itemized on this talk page instead of just adding them to the list) while you're at

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I apologise for bad form, and from here on I'll stay with the conversation further down that I hadn't initially seen. But other wiki pages aren't primary sources any more than this wiki page is. That's basically citing an echo chamber. I believe the official term is

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The principle is “clean cut”, and the allowable exceptions should follow logically from the principle. Reconstructions and collaborations are not transcriptions or arrangements of independent existing pieces. “My reasoning for #1” is spelled out clearly.

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surprising as Lesure founded it) and say that the Centre's website replicates the catalogue found in the book. The catalogue on the Centre's website just uses numbers, with the new number followed by the old number in brackets.

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reliable sources illustrating that); the numbers of the second edition of the Lesure catalogue are also sometimes indicated as CD numbers (again followed by one or more suitable references)." See similar issues in the intro of

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perspective is that the table names around 20 compositions that are apparently not listed in either editions of the Lesure catalogue (which, as said, are currently the *only* references used in the article). This smacks of

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they are using the new numbers, which leads to the confusion. (Liner notes are considered an "unreliable source" for Knowledge purposes.) It is hoped that Knowledge would not make that mistake and add to the confusion.

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RISM does not necessarily use "standard" abbreviations for referring to catalogues of compositions, but if no standard can be established, these abbreviations can at least be referenced to a bibliographic resource.

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catalog that it was actually ALSO supposed to use "L" so sort of L and L, but not using that makes more sense. Would love some anyone who has actual knowledgeable input on the subject. Also of potential note is the

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2) Transcriptions and arrangements of Debussy’s compositions are endless. You could go this way forever, and many of them aren’t even credited. They clutter the list, and they’re essentially specimens of trivia.

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I found at least one book that mentions it as lost. The chapter discusses Liszt's influence on Debussy's early compositions. Apparently it's a blatant attempt by Debussy. I added the reference to the list.

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which system is meant). Knowledge should not be inventing terminology, it should be reflecting actual usage (even if people consider that usage to be confusing, per an earlier comment below this one).

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should be hoping for. The few instances of record labels using L.newnumber are fairly old, aren't they? Ogawa's series starting using the new catalog (while still calling them L numbers) in 2005.

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getting a new number in between existing numbers with a letter like "a" added. This practice has also been used with Debussy's Lesure numbers, as someone has pointed out in another thread.

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given separate catalog numbers. As for the arrangements of music by other composers, yeah no numbers given, but they should certainly be included....that's neither here nor there however.

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Re. "... a note explaining their connection ..." – it are of course these explanations which need a reference, making clear they're not just made up by some well-meaning Knowledge editor.

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Lately, this content has been added to the intro of the page: "The compositions are listed in official catalogues: ... The updated Lesure catalogue at Musicbrainz ..." For clarity,

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I continue to be boggled how any sane human being wouldn't realize that making up a catalog number and assuming an author's intentions isn't something one should do on Knowledge.

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The old "L" catalog is still the one in use for opus numbers on CDs (as in "Compact Disc", mind you) and the literature. But the "CD" catalog is the last word. It's available at

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And if you weren't so hasty to revert (against WP rules BTW) you might have noticed that I left the sort order in so it still comes up on top. Again, I'm just boggled at this.

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Definitely should be updated. For instance, the song (for voice & piano) Les papillons is currently missing from this list. And English Knowledge deserves a complete one!

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Classical Music Compositions) cites Lesure's first catalog for as its sole source (it also I believe uses the 1980 New Grove for the whole book in general) and there's also

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Saint-Saens's Caprice sur les Airs de Ballet d'Alceste, ballet music from Etienne Marcel, Introduction and Rondo Caprricioso and Symphony No. 2, all for Two Pianos

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The main "official" catalogs are cited in the first paragraph of this list, which is sufficient to apply to the entire list. Only exceptions should be tagged.

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may be a good start for Debussy's arrangements, but I've no idea how comprehensive that is (also: not all of these works are entirely arranged by Debussy). --

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practice in this latter case is to list the arrangement with the same number but with a letter "a" after it). I've thus removed these CN tags.

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All changes are itemized in the edit description of each genre section. I'm uploading each genre section as a separate edit. Saguaro-sun/

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All of these (except the last one of course) were recorded on the Warner set I mentioned above. Do with all this info what you will.

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Whichever you think most suitable for the article can be added to the article, after which tags can be removed, apart from:

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And also note these aren't getting extra slots. That said, the ones that are 'just' orchestrations could probably go.

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where the new catalog replaces the old whole sale and a number will share two compositions between the two catalogs.

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I disagree that transcriptions and arrangements by persons other than Debussy should be included in this list:

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The "incomplete list" tag, until Debussy's arrangements of compositions by others are listed comprehensively

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The tag at the first occurrence of "CD" (which is the OP topic of this section), apparently still unresolved

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page should be edited to have both the L and CD numbers. A bit of work, but I'm happy to help where I can.

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Before his death, Lesure released the definitive 2001 "CD" catalog ("CD" as in "Claude Debussy", mind you)

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page (except of course with the L numbers replaced with the appropriate CD numbers). In addition, the

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tags should not be removed because someone is too lazy to add the necessary—and precise—citations. --

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Where else? To the composition, but please a piano version for a piano piece, not an arrangement. --

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Re. "... are well known ..." – shouldn't be too difficult to find a decent reference for them then.

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If people want to go down the "CD" path, here's my suggestion. A new page should be created called

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The tags in the two explanatory footnotes (topic of the previous section), until that is resolved

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A side question: didn't Lesure list Debussy's arrangements? His orchestration of two of Satie's

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citations are therefore not needed for the same references. Only for individual items that are

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for writing and maintaining articles. To participate, you can edit this article or visit the

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done by someone named John de Rooy, though perhaps this is just 'some guy on the Internet'.

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The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:

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website uses these abbreviations to indicate numbers according to Lesure's catalogues:

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are extensively included. Compare: a list of Bach compositions would rather include

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A melody composed in 1882, text by Paul Verlaine, performed in 1913 by Nellie Melba

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Dances Russe, Espagnole and Napolitane from Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake for Piano Duet

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Regarding arrangements: it seems a bit unbalanced that no well-known arrangements

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If neither of these sources use the "CD" abbreviation the article currently fails

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The final one I'm not sure where I got the info from but I found reference to it

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Why the hell are there sound files in a composition list anyway? Pretty dumb.

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The addendum to the latest edition of the "official" Lesure catalog lists

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are external links and should be placed on a separate page linked from

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La Cathédrale engloutie - Claude Debussy - performed by Ivan Ilic.ogg

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Performed by MIT Chamber Chorus under the direction of William Cutter

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Performed by MIT Chamber Chorus, under direction of William Cutter

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But yeah. It's not as clean cut as your post makes it out to be.

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It's missing a few. As far as I know, this is the list of them.:

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A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion

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WikiProject Classical music compositions task force articles

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Schumann's Six Etudes in Canon Form, Op. 56 for Two Pianos

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for a discussion relating to the use of bold in the lead.

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I suppose looking through them, I'd say the following...

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pieces by X should appear only in a list of works by Y.

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List of compositions by Ferruccio Busoni#Catalog numbers

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List of compositions by Claude Debussy by Lesure Numbers

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Raff's Op. 159 'Humoresque en Forne de Valse' for Piano

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Ignore anything the IP says. It's Chuckstreet again.

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This page has only the old, original 1977 "L" catalog

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List of compositions by Claude Debussy by CD Numbers

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