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On my reading of Frazer, this is a misrepresents him, he analyzes the conceptual relationship of magic both to science and to religion, and differentiates it conceptually from both. He is just slightly more verbally explicit about the disjunction from science (he calls magic "false science", while he
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The addition of 'natural' contradicts the title of the article ('Magic (supernatural)') and also means that everything is magic. If magic is 'the application of actions employed in the belief that they can manipulate natural forces', this encompasses every human interaction with nature. When people
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I’ve taken a look at the talk archive and it seems to be argued on very technical and philosophical terms that the scientific method may be unsound and that there is “room” for the efficacy of magic given that scientific reasoning and logic in general are still just “belief systems.” I think this
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I feel like lines in this article such as "Some of the individuals who performed magical acts on a more than occasional basis came to be identified as magicians" imply that things such as "magical acts" have some basis in reality. Imo there should be new discussions concerning whether or not this
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Nowhere does the article say that magic works. You can't rebut something that is not claimed. The current article represents a past consensus on that, with the involvement of the
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Does anyone want to make a defense of this passage, otherwise I think there is a major revision in order (either put Frazer and possibly other authors into a third section other than
Intellectualism and Functionalism, or re-define Intellectualism, or disband those sections altogether).
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The introduction to this article and many parts within give the impression that magic has some kind established role that is “outside of science.” I don’t think this article makes it clear enough to the average reader that magic is not scientifically believed to be efficacious.
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What do the secondary sources have to say on the subject? We don't go by the opinions of editors, but rather by what the sources say. By all means, though, if some editor put words in Frazer's mouth that can't be verified, tag those so other editors can follow up on it.
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