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may recognise Chavez but may not know his name). On the other hand with a flag, most people don't know or care what the flag of Omaha looks like. And if you do, you'd probably recognise the word Omaha just as much as you will the flag, and it doesn't really tell you anything about the item which only losely has to do with Omaha (it occured in Omaha but it has nothing to do with Omaha). Similarly with a map, if you already know what Omaha looks like then showing it probably doesn't provide more info or is more easily recognisable then saying Omaha especially at the size we're talking about I don't think many people will recognise the flag or the map but will not recognise Omaha. And if you don't recognise the map, you probably don't really care to learn where Omaha is and again as with the flag, the story doesn't really have anything to do with Omaha. In this case, the Chavez connection is perhaps a bit loose as well since it was a constitutional referedum supported by Chavez not an election which Chavez won but it's arguably still a lot stronger then Omaha to the story. Or to put it simply, the flag or map are more decorative then functional whereas the picture of Chavez is more functional.
6207:"Try to include items from varied fields of interest, time periods, and parts of the world.") Besides the gay icon and gay screenwriter thing we also have two items with some relation to the Hindu religion specifically one about a Hindu godess and another about Paul Bérenger being the first non Hindu PM of Mauritius. But in both cases I would say it's not clear whether they are related enough that seperation is really necessary. (Note that the gay icon thing relates to the perception of her among many LGB people whereas the other thing is about his sexuality which has nothing to do with other LGB people although both do involve people from the TV & film industry.) Also I don't think not more then 1/country/update will work at all since we simply don't have enough from outside the US due to systemic bias and other things. I count 3 items relating significantly to the US in the current update. In any case we don't AFAIK generally try to avoid inter-update article correlation probably because that will be way too complicated given the large number of hooks, the involvement of multiple editors in updating DYK etc.
3203:(or at least near universal in the English speaking world) holidays, and use intelligent iconography to celebrate them, this can only improve perceptions of Knowledge (XXG), perhaps "cute" or "fairy tale" iconography will damage Wikipedias persona, I will admit, but intelligent, reasoned, historic iconography will not. I've brought up the topic of choosing the criteria for the holidays several times, but no one seems to want to talk about that, perhaps they want to leave that until the idea has been accepted, but I don't think it will be, without that having been discussed. Once that criteria has been met, it wouldn't need much maintenance, only a place where new holidays can be proposed, and if accepted, designs for the logo can be proposed. This wouldn't require much effort either, as only a handful of graphic designers are regular contributers, (if you hadn't noticed this my response to your point about the distraction from writing an encyclopedia by the way).
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the fest we now know as
Halloween. Secondly, indentation is a standard on Knowledge (XXG) that is adhered to by all members, if you think thats the last time someone will point out one of more then likely many gaps in you knowledge of these standards, think again. Thirdly, make a personal attack like that again, and I will happily report you, and you will be disallowed from editing. This entry is an example of how to respond to someone who disagrees with you, while still adhering to etiquette, and as you will notice, I found no need to lower myself to personal attacks (of which I can think of a many that clearly apply to you), I suggest you take note. As I can see you haven't taken note of my last statement, please make proper use of indentation. Also, did you know that you can sign your comments by adding 4 tildes to the end (~~~~), just another little Knowledge (XXG) standard you should be aware of.
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will not read the entire section. Most people will merely scan the page. The pictures tend to draw the eye, however. Forcing wikipedia users to play where's waldo with the (pictured) tag just to figure out what the picture is about strikes me a slightly hostile towards the users... particularly new users who may very well read the first bullet, assume it's connected, and move on. I understand that technical and style issues under discussion have thus far prevented the suggested remedies. May I suggest at least making the (pictured) tag more prominent so that it stands out when scanned? I also feel that a border around the pic would help seperate it conceptually from the top bullet, even if there is no accompanying highlighted bullet background. And finally, (though I personally feel it would be ugly) a caption under the pic could greatly ease confusion and facilitate the page's utility.
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as a gay icon, and then Marco
Penette who was outed in front of his parents. I was comparing it to the inundation of Michigan Wolverine articles in a very poorly worded and horribly nonsensical attempt at expressing myself. It's not bothering me, I'm just making the observation that sometimes, there seem to be high numbers of DYK's relating to certain topics. I know that in OTD, they do 1 thing per specific country, nothing more than that 1. Perhaps something should be instituted for DYK? No more than 1 DYK for a certain area or topic so that people can get a variety of the new stuff on Knowledge (XXG)? I apologize if I wasn't clear before, which I'm sure I wasn't, and hope that I'm more comprehensible this time around. Regards,
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seems to be fairly anti-main-page-change) provides a counter point to whatever the suggestion is (normally), and if you can prove his points wrong, youre usually well on the way to getting your suggestion implemented. I myself made a suggestion about page balance a while back (not to do with the pictures, but instead to do with the layout in general), and the whole discussion was pretty much me and him arguing about it. I still don't agree with the points he was making at the time, and I still don't like his style of debate, but the service he provides here on the main page is one that has to exist... he shows that there is another side to the argument. Just my two cents.
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religious holidays because that's an obvious split in the population, and no majority's exist, same goes for national holidays, not internationally recognised, therefore easily pruned. Just as an example of how criteria would stop long discussions, from your own example above, Boxing day would immediately be rejected because its only recognised in the
Commonwealth. Earth Day and World Biodiversity Day to name another possible example, are internationally recognised in multiple continents and is not contained in a single organisation, such as the commonwealth (there's an idea for a criterion right there).
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question, we could redirect the
Knowledge (XXG) logo, not to the main page as is currently the case, but instead, to the holiday article in question, this will increase traffic and hence development to that article any vandalism incurred, would be kept at bay by the good editors that are reaching the page through the same method. Also, to help the people looking for the Main Page, we could simply place "If you are looking for the Knowledge (XXG) Main Page, and were directed here through the Knowledge (XXG) Logo, please press
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change. Telling people to be creative is somewhat pointless since obviously the people involved are not 'creative' enough or the problem would be resolved. If you're so sure it can be done, why don't you come up with something that is sufficiently relevant to a more recent story? Remember wikipedia is made by unpaid editors which can include you, not by a paid workforce. There's little point telling people to 'fix' something if you don't have an acceptable solution and one is not obvious to the people doing the 'fixing'.
5240:, an update on an article and must be "of an international importance, or at least interest". The JLS case seems to have met all of the criteria I've mentioned, except for the portal one. I've heard about Keisha Castle-Hughes pregnancy a year(?) ago but not on our local newscast, while the Earl's new baby wasn't even mentioned, heck I didn't even see it on the major news channels. As for 16 year olds getting pregnant, they're like elections, they happen everyday. --
1410:(the collegiate sports seems to be as big or even bigger than pro sports in the USA but they're arguably more of a parochial in nature) and lots more. Also, baseball is rather played in several places, sure not as much as football (soccer), but it more than satisfies the "international" criterion, same for basketball and ice hockey. NFL is rather hard to make a case for inclusion, but it is shown on several places, heck even Mexicans liked it.
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countries including many of the ones with large
English speaking populations (in addition to the point anon raised about the fact the actual Queen's birthday is meaningless since each country which does celebrate it have their own date). I'm not saying the idea was ever going to work, it wasn't but I do think it's important to consider it's flawed to assume the Queen's birthday is a meaningful event to all commonwealth countries.
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support for that for numerous reasons. For example I suspect you'll have similar opposition as with a flag or map (it's a generic image which doesn't tell you much about the specific story). As well as the fact it may be seen as either POV pushing or perhaps morbid. Finally it AFAIK remains unconfirmed that the gun was an AK-47 with some conflicting info (Plus AK-47s can vary quite a lot in how they look).
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criterion for what picture should be in the news section. I'm not sure if that's the best approach, but let's say it is. We at a minimum need to have the story associated with the picture right at the top. No news website in the world puts a lead next to a photo that does not match. And, yes, "Knowledge (XXG) is not a news website", but this area of the main page
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too long. Yet if we were to effectively selective highlight one story at the top of a page for a long time because we don't have any new images, we're liable to get many more complaints. Even worse, since very often we only have images for US items, you can just hear the screams of US bias that will result when we selectively highlight US stories.
3647:. User pages are intended for communication between users in the process of building a better encylopaedia not to 'show off' your 'l33t' user page. Besides that there is unlikely to be any way you can find consensus on the best user page. The second suggestion again has the same problems and it also risks encouring
5467:
Ok, nvm, I don't wanna make troubles to anyone. I have another question, I made a couple of good "userboxes" how can I make them to be like "Userbox/Krzyzowiec/(Something here) ?! How you do like that ?! And where I can find the site on
Knowledge (XXG) where I can place my self-made userboxes (like a
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Maybe so, but it contradicts the expected format and readers will naturally assume that the first picture is the relevant one. There's nothing wrong with that, it's an almost universal thing unless you're used to
Knowledge (XXG)'s silly quirks. I do agree that it makes the main page look amateur. But
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Just to point something out to a few of you, David Levy is providing a valid service in this discussion. If we implemented every change that was suggested here on the Main Page without these kinds of discussions the thing would more then likely be totally illegible at this point. David (as a user who
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LOL... People are complaining because they think the picture of Chavez makes it look like he killed nine people in Ohama and then waved to the crowd? Never would have crossed my mind. And no, Tempshill, it's because we don't have a good free image about the shooting, and anything we did have about it
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receiving preferential treatment (not to mention consuming the entire duration of
Kwanzaa). And what will we do in years such as 2008 (when Hanukkah overlaps both Christmas and part of Kwanzaa)? And of course, we'll have to include Boxing Day, right? That always falls on the first day of Kwanzaa.
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When I referenced the distraction from writing an encyclopedia, I wasn't referring to the effort on the part of the individuals responsible for designing the graphics. I was referring to the time that we would waste arguing over what holidays qualify, how to represent them, how to deal with overlap,
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True. Is that not already a problem with the date as it is displayed in the On this day... section? Can technology not do something to help with this? I'm not very technological, but I know that the time can be displayed based on the users computer time. I know that's not a good solution, because the
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Way too cumbersome the main page would change everyday of the year and even conflict some days... Just because it is the "English" Knowledge (XXG) doesn't mean other non-"English" cultures cannot be reflected in the main page. You have all kinds of things during the year in all countries around the
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Samhain is an Irish Gaelic word and it names the end of summer event in Irish (and
Scottish) culture, but it doesn't follow that the marking of the event originated in Ireland. Have a look at the entry for SAMON in the Coligny calendar article. Samonios is a Gaulish word naming the same event. Are we
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I was aware of the (pretty reasonable) rule about posting results, but that is irrelevant here. This is a particular story about baseball, not hte reulst of a championship. The argument should be about the notability of the story (annd I don't think there is any problem there), rather than trying top
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I'm sorry I don't make any sense. It's way too late for me, and I sure as hell didn't get enough sleep last night. The observation was that it seems that we are having a high amount of gay-related articles relative to everythinge else: maybe it's just this batch, which has a lead off of Judy
Garland
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For what it's worth, Elliskev is right and David Levy is wrong. People read top to bottom, and expect the tightest possible proximity between a picture and the associated text. That's because, as David Levy haughtily puts it, those of us who can read English text have been raised to expect this in
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IIRC, the feeling is that as the item is about Chavez it's specific to the item and shows something which is meaningful (not everyone knows what Chavez looks like but many might be interested in seeing him and for those that do, it will tell them the item has something to do with Chavez, some people
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Several admins are against the use of flags since it's argued they don't add much. Maps have similar problems to flags (it's been argued they don't mean much if you don't already know the geography of the area and if you do, you don't really need a map). As for the gun, I don't think you'd find much
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You're right, Martin Luther King day isn't all that international, but it is internationally recognised, similar criteria to ITN could be used really, such as it has to be of international interest etc. I'll draw up a proposal for criteria when I have time, but if anyone else feels they can do it be
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I wouldn't have imagined any religious periods being added (although I have used them for examples above I know), holiday is a bad phrase to use, its days like Earth Day that I personally want recognised, speaking as an atheist, and therefore not inclined towards any religion, I wouldn't include any
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widely spoken, as well as what holidays are widely observed by English-speaking people. For example, our Indian readers and Hindus from around the world would want to include their holidays, and it would be unfairly discriminatory not to (assuming that any religious holidays—including Christmas—are
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We already link to holidays' articles on the main page, so this wouldn't really bring anything of encyclopedic value to the table (and altering the logo link's behavior would be confusing and inconvenient). Realistically, the entire idea is based around the opinion that it would be fun. Perhaps it
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Although personally, I still say this idea will benefit Knowledge (XXG) as an organisation and not so much as an encyclopedia, you seem to be a little hung up on that fact, so if you really want me to try and highlight something that will benefit the encyclopedia, I'll do my best. On the holidays in
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Well basically this will help show that we have a fun side, which is something that Knowledge (XXG) does lack a little, from personal experience I know that some people feel that we're just a little too serious (on the talk pages, the content has to be serious obviously), and that prevents them from
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Well one point to note, is that the four examples given above are just that, examples, there not proposals by any means, we havent even discussed what will qualify a holiday for inclusion yet, its just been a process of finding out where people stand on the idea so far. Ive made a few suggestions so
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is nowhere as big, nor is the equivelant, of the US's Indepedence Day. Yes, there is a "Queen's Birthday" public holiday, but a) it is not actually the Queen's real birthday b) different places celebrate it at different times c) not all places in the Commonwealth do have a Queen's Birthday day. Each
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What I basically read is "Bupropion is an unusual antidepressant that acts as a WUT and WUT, and acts against nicotine" It's standard to explain terms exclusive to the field of study, and since the article doesn't do that, I'm questioning its status as a featured article. All other chemistry-related
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I think I'm mostly to blame for that. I removed the four or five WP:ERRORS-style sections which contained queries that had already been answered. Since they'd've been long gone had they been placed in the correct area, I didn't see the point in letting them clutter the page up. Enjoy the minimalism
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I don't think this page has a comperable context. In such books it can reasonably be assumed that the reader will actually read most of the page or section where the picture appears. Whereas we can reasonably assume most people just scan the content on this page, which changes daily. Also most such
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There are several days that can apply, Earth Day, for example, would apply, I'll admit I cant think of all that many, but I don't pretend to be an expert in the field. When I mentioned holidays at least existing in the English speaking world, I meant that its unlikely that holidays from non-English
847:
I agree there are problems with the current phrasing but has anyone actually compared knol to everything2 or about.com? Most of the articles I've read and I'm not talking about stuff on wikipedia have referenced wikipedia and/or talked about Google's continuous rise in controlling everything on the
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Hummm...I've got no particular opinion one way or the other, but I think its worth pointing out that the comment above from 2002 just mentions capitalization, doesn't say a word about namespaces. Actually, unless I'm mistaken (and that's entirely possible, I admit) namespaces didn't even exist yet
5303:
The only times pregnancies (or births) are notable enough to appear on the main page are when they have a wider effect on society - ie, it's not the pregnancy that is notable, but the events surrounding it, eg: a) The child belongs to a high ranking member of royalty and is directly in line to the
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This applies equally to the Did you know... and On this day... sections doesn't it? It is confusing to people not aware of the policy who may never see the inconspicuous (pictured) tag. Even for someone like myself who is aware it this is still inconvenient. We should keep in mind that most people
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Actually ITN is implicitly NOT a news website. This is a common misconception and is one reason why people have suggested it be renamed. Also, I'm somewhat doubtful the suggestion for changing placement of the story will get much support. We already get sufficient complaints when a image stays for
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You could use Knowledge (XXG) to look them up. LOL. Really, though, Nil Einne is right that the photo of Chavez is more relevant to the Chavez news item than a gun or map would be relevant to the mall shooting news item. It sounds like "relevance to some item in the news section" is Nil Einne's
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In addition to the points anon has already raised, note that many member's of the commonwealth do not consider the Queen their head of state. Some have their own monarchs for example others are republics. She may be the head of the commonwealth but she's most definitely not an important figure in
2676:
Three prominent items on the Main Page are Today's featured article, In the news and On this day... When looking at these items, I think its useful for the reader to be aware of the current date. (It actually says the date in the On this day... section already.) Is there an argument for displaying
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No worrys man, I'm a fan of your idea, as I am with most new ideas that are brought to Knowledge (XXG) because I think the place is stagnating slightly, but having said that, innovation must be done right, or not at all, so the holidays must be at there historic roots as well as there more popular
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Ok, you want to argue for the sake of arguing, on this sub-thread that has nothing to do with the topic at hand I might add, fine, All Saints Day was celebrated throughout pre-christian Europe as you rightly said, however, the date was standardised by the church to that used by Samhain, and became
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Since Knowledge (XXG) is for English people, we should have the British Monarch's birthday and the US independence day on 4 July as two holidays that can be changed to blue. This works because all English speaking countries are either US territories or part of the Commonwealth!!! Also, I know that
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It is odd that it doesn't explain what is being said. I mean, at least half of the people that go to Knowledge (XXG) today are going to be like, WTH is this s***? Something about anti-depressants? I think that something should be done about that...can someone with the appropriate knowledge explain
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It's monday morning, 17th of december, and the featured article "The Simpsons" on the main page shows a bit of vandilism. The vandilised version reads "lifestyle epitomized by its titular family". The actual article has been corrected (at around 9.20 am) but this correction is not reflected on the
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BTW, this type of complaint comes up every time an American sport gets posted at the ITN. Among the American Big 4 leagues, only the NFL seems to be the most parochial, but it is also broadcasted around the world. So by virtue of the international coverage, American sports will make it to the ITN,
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The most common reason for multiple consecutive DYKs on the same thing AFAIK tends to be that someone or some group decides to work on new articles for something of interest to them. This has happened before with fish, cricket, and other things I can't remember but often peters out after a while.
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Yeah I get you now, don't worry about it, well basically the sections in DKY are picked at random from proposed facts that fit the criteria, and as any decent mathematician will tell you, true randomocity will include clusters :), having said that though, I imagine that if we imposed some sort of
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IIRC is hardly geek speak... Whatever the case, you say to be creative. But so far, no one has come up with a suitable suggestion for an image which is sufficiently relevant to a more recent story in the eyes of admins (hint, this is NOT me). Until and unless someone does, things are not going to
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Well, I'm not very convinced. Perhaps I'll feel more assured if I see the exact criteria. A lot of the holidays on your list don't even have their own article. And, for example, January 15 is listed as Martin Luther King day. I don't feel that's international at all. I'm kind of sceptical towards
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is the list of potential holidays. Obviously we can't include them all, so some other criteria will also be needed, for example, I don't foresee European Day of Languages being included, because its only recognised here in Europe. Well if its conceded that the fun aspect is is a problem, then I'm
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I'm not sure if that was a response to me but in case there was confusion about my post, my point was it's quite clear simply highlighting the Queen's birthday would not somehow appease all commonwealth countries (as tourskin suggested) because it's a fairly irrelevant thing for many commonwealth
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Basically, when a neurotransmitter is released into a chemical synapse (which is a junction between neurons) it acts on receptors to pass the message from one neuron to the next. To stop this action (so the response isn't prolonged) the chemical synapse is either degraded, or taken back up by the
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IMHO, neither is newsworthy enough to be on the Main Page. Sorry. As for Ms. Spears—like Richard said, it is not unusual for 16 year olds to be pregnant (has been since, let's see, forever). The fact she is a notable 16-year-old does not make her being pregnant particularly notable, and this is
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This part of my response is not in response to David, this is a call out to everyone involved in this discussion. I think its time to discuss what (provided the idea is accepted by the community of course) will be the criteria for an included holiday, as I really don't see this discussion going
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even though it is out of date and badly positioned? I gave examples of some things to use, I also said be creative, as it currently looks shockingly bad and amateurish. Your arguments against using a map are also applicable to that precise image of Chavez. Also, please drop the geek-speak, not
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Knowledge (XXG) seriously, I was talking about what people perceive to be the general response to new editors, which is to say, they believe that newcomers making changes tend to receive a fairly negative reception on the talk page, i.e. they tend to get bitten by established editors, but I'll
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Leave one day out and get hate mail. Or observe one day in the wrong way (e.g. Memorial Day in the US) and commit a NPOV violation. Also, which holidays will be considered in the first place? The English-language Knowledge (XXG) encompasses quite a large number of the world's many cultures.
2001:
Gotta love this first line "Bupropion is an atypical antidepressant that acts as a norepinephrine and dopamine reuptake inhibitor, and nicotinic antagonist." Yeah...perfectly understandable to the majority of the population, that's right. My impression of what Bupropion is is that it is a drug
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Let me try again without being Mr. Inflammatory. This is the main page of Knowledge (XXG). When people look at the ITN box, and they see a photo that is mismatched with the lead, they say, "Haw, haw, Knowledge (XXG) is stupid," the same way that occasionally occurs with the algorithmically
4180:. This illustrates one of the problems which a lot of people fail to realise. The template works fine in many cases and changing it simply for one version of the main page is not considered good practice or acceptable (there are versions of the main page when it's not a problem as well e.g.
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So you want us to go through a year of bickering? Then what will we do when some holidays fall on different Gregorian calendar dates the following year (and overlap with each other)? If we include Christmas, will we also include Hanukkah and Kwanzaa? If so, will we do so for their entire
5808:
I agree. Of course if this does ever happen (and I am also a supporter of such a move) it doesn't mean it has to be like that forever. For example 2-3 years from now we could re-evalutate the situation and turn Main Page into a disambig if it's clear not many people are using it to go to
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Sorry mate, I had known that St Patrick's Day has its roots in Ireland but I was under the impression that it was mainly celebrated in America (we don't celebrate it here in Australia, and I've only heard of it mentioned in American TV shows). Turns out I was wrong though, according to
1359:
That is a bit close to an endorsement of any news about US sports being notable. The more reasonable argument (and one I completely agree with) is that the story itself is internationally notable (or at least notorious), rather than a blanket argument about the notability of baseball.
2626:
Um did someone really say that Chinese-English speakers will outnumber all others in 20 years? Seems unlikely to me given that India's population may outnumber China's by then and even if it doesn't it will be very close and when you take all the non Indian, non Chinese speakers...
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No... My expectation that the image will pertain to the first item listed is based on two things - how people read (top to bottom) and the proximity of the picture to the bulleted item at the top. I don't really care how ITN operates. I care about the layout being less than ideal.
6118:'Twould seem that now that "When Wolverines Attack!" is petering out, the theme of DYK seems to be gays...Just a comment, meant as nothing more or less...an observation, one could say. Perhaps I should write a whole bunch of articles on...oh wait, I forgot, real life awaits me.
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But that is irrelevant to stories like this that are not about results. Here the story needs to be judged on its merits. I don't think the rule (about results announcements) helps here. Unless who-has-the-most-drugs-cheats is the highest level of competition in baseball now?
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And we could do things like Earth Day, and New Years day; however, I do suggest that, in the event it is decided to do something like this, we only change the main page's logo (like google is fond of doing), rather then the whole page, as that would mean a major effort.
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We label the relevant item with the word "pictured." For people capable of reading English text, I don't see what's so difficult to understand about that. Yes, the image might appear incongruous at first glance, but people are supposed to actually read the section.
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Christmass is a religious holiday but in the Commonwealth and in the US it is very much a secular holiday. Or say Halloween, where the background can be changed to orange (for pumpkins) and for christmass it could be green red and white (for snow and for mistle toe).
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By comparison, I haven't even seen it in the British broadsheets. Not that it means much- the elections which are (rightly) on ITN are often barely mentioned by the British press. At the end of the day, this pregnancy just isn't important to the world as a whole.
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Indeed, you did use religious holidays as examples. If we exclude religious and national holidays, that certainly eliminates many of the potential problems, but it also substantially reduces the "fun" factor that appears to fuel most interest in such endeavors.
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Howard, I don't think that was a complaint so much as a recommendation to Europeans to stop complaining. Personally, I think any sports articles which only affect a few nations (such as American sports, Formula 1, ice hockey, cricket, rugby and anything involving
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I've heard more about it then the Jamie Lynn case tho. I only heard about Jamie Lynn on some tabloid link whereas the Earl case may have been one of the headline items in my local evening news IIRC. (I'm not in the UK) BTW there are many similarities to when the
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Agreed Honeymane with one small difference, if an included holiday has certain colours associated with it, I'd say we should change the background colours of the modules to reflect those, green and red at xmas and all that (if xmas was to be included of course).
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to believe the Gauls borrowed all this from the Irish? I think not. The end of summer was an event that appears to have been commonly observed in all the Celtic regions. Its real origins are probably associated with the beginnings of agrarian culture in Europe.
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the current date (and maybe the time the page was loaded) somewhere near the top of the page? Perhaps above and aligned with the right of the box containing the Welcome to Knowledge (XXG) message? I think this would be a useful addition to the user interface.
2835:
No. Changing the main page up for certain holidays will prompt some to ask that some minor far flung event be given a theme. And then, at the end of it, the Main Page looks different almost every day. If you want to celebrate something, change your signature.
3306:
Yes but once we have a set of Criteria, there would be no need to discuss any one holiday more then once, once some new comer comes along and proposes a holiday that has already been discussed (and the majority of these discussions would be "What About -:
2793:
Thanks. Well, I guess if anyone cared enough to be interested, there would have been more comment. I think it would be a useful addition to the Main Page interface, but looks like no one else does. Or is there somewhere better I should be raising this?
3870:
The usual goal is to have an image for the first item with an available free picture. It usually works out relatively decently, but every once in a while we end up with a long-ish run of stories with none, such as now. Nothing really to be done about
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What about all of the Chinese people who speak English? There are almost as many English speakers in China as there are in the USA. And according to England's PM, Chinese English-speakers will outnumber all others combined in twenty years.
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It's still happening for Michigan wolverines BTW. We do AFAIK try to avoid 2 or more hooks relating to the same thing appearing in the same update but obviously this isn't nor is it necessarily easy to say if two items are too related. (See
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of chronological order (which is not an option if you want this section to maintain some credibility) or the pictures would have to be removed completely because there is usually no associated image for the first item on each and every day.
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yes its very funny, but a bit offensive to the guy. david levy and ferdia o brian have alot of opionins about this maybe they are bored with life outside wika. also wika is a form of witchcraft which i dislike alot. pinktoes and nose.−—
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My point is that this discussion's continued presence is not necessarily indicative of community support. (If, after two days and twenty-three hours of inactivity, someone drops in to say "this is a bad idea," it stays for another three
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This is not a problem on DYK, since the admins can easily choose the hook that has a pic. For OTD, most of the time, the first entry (the event that happened the earliest) doesn't have a photo so the pic will come from the next entries.
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This "policy" does need to change. It makes us look quite stupid on people's very first visit to Knowledge (XXG). The photo usually does not match the first news item, and the problem is fixable. Make the story with the photo first.
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Maybe this is just silly, but: the title of Main Page is conform to the Knowledge (XXG) naming conventions; the P should be small (just like "Current events","Bug reports","Special pages", etc.). Jheijmans 07:22 Jul 24, 2002 (PDT)
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I actually didn't know that guy was Hugo Chavez so I assumed he was the gunman. I agree that it's a bit weird when the first picture doesn't line up. It's nothing to do with news stories and everything to do with how people read.
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Then there are national holidays (some of which also are religious in nature). You need to realize that we cannot discriminate on the basis of "English speakers." If we include any nation's national holiday, we need to include
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It might be or might not be universal on the internet, but it's extremely familiar in the context of non-fiction books, reference works, etc. This style may strike some as old-fashioned, but there's nothing amateurish about it.
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I would love to move this to a non-article namespace. SInce we are not putting Fair Use Images on the Main Page anymore, that reason for keeping it here is invalid. Only reason, so far as I can see, is Tradition and precedent.
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It doesn't David, it relates to a website called Knowledge (XXG), more specifically, the main page of that website, and here we are on its talk page. The fact that its an encyclopedia doesn't have all that much to do with it.
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It might be useful for us Europeans to think of this story as being about Drugs in Sport rather than about Major League Baseball per se, hmm? I couldn't care less about baseball, but let's not be parochial, it's a big story.
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I think setting up a redirect would be a bad idea, I know there's many link to this Main Page around the internet, but having a link to a link would be pointless, the links to the Main Page would correct themselves in time
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is celebrated on different days by different countries how do you choose??? And lets not talk about British practice of a) holiday, b) bank holiday and so on... Or if a Holiday falls on a Saturday or Sunday etc... etc...
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generated photo matching on Google News. We need to make the main page of Knowledge (XXG) look good. A mismatched photo looks like amateurville. Any reason given to justify a mismatched photo is misplaced, IMO, because
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Obviously, we're not going to agree. You're assuming a lot about my sense of "ideal". This is a disagreement about style. I think the style we have now sucks. Categorize my opinion all you want. It won't change my mind.
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It occurs to me that, given the Accords which bear his name, and their application in places like Northern Ireland and the Middle East, Senator Mitchell seems to specialize in minor hubbubs involving only one or two
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Yes, but that's what we use criteria for, we could have that it must be respected in at least 6 country's across or something of that nature. Follow your logic and we shouldn't have anything on my main page at all.
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Yes, it was celebrated throughout Europe... having originated in Ireland, I encourage you to read this very encyclopaedias article on the subject. I think you'll find that Halloween is the modernisation of Samhain.
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The complainant in this case came from England so I was right about Euros (LOL). And this would not be the last complaint I'll be seeing here, especially since the Super Bowl is fast approaching... oh, the horrors!
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It sounds like a criticism, as though something is lessening your enjoyment of DYK, but then you seem to disassociate yourself from the project... I have no clue what this supposed observation is to be honest...
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I'm confused. You appear to acknowledge that Knowledge (XXG) is an encyclopedia, but you also acknowledge that this idea doesn't relate to an encyclopedia. In that case, how is it relevant to Knowledge (XXG)?
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roughly 100% of the printed material we read. People have not, on the other hand, spent their lives carefully reading through many bullets of information in order to figure out what a nearby picture is about.
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I don't understand what you mean by "unlikely that holidays from non-English areas wouldn't be proposed, because of the language barrier." If you meant to say "unlikely that holidays from non-English areas
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This idea is perfectly feasible, because were more than intelligent enough to make it work, if it was brought on board a low-maintenance wikiproject with low man power required, will be able to oversee it.
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could work, even though in the Southern hemisphere Christmas is in summer (as you are suggesting wintery imagery, though the association of Christmas and Winter does exist here in Australia due to American
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Well Halloween did actually originate in Ireland as well, its an old Celtic feast. So if we do change the page on Holidays, Ireland will be featuring quite a bit.... if I have anything to say about it. :D
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i'm from the haitian wikipedia and i'd like to add the link to the homepage of our wikipedia into the left panel. Tell me how to proceed or what information is required to proceed. Thanks in advance ! --
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But worse still, it would be a huge distraction from writing an encyclopedia. The last thing that we need is something else to bicker about, let alone something with absolutely no encyclopedic value.
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Lol sorry I forgot about Ireland having a large number of English speakers but yeah theres something for everyone in my list. There's nothing else British. And Halloween is not an American thing only.
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I must say that person was asking that it conform to "Knowledge (XXG) naming conventions", so there was some sort of dispute that far back... altho it might or might not have been the current dispute.
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Is there anyway to have the picture in the news section related to the first item in the box? As it is, an initial glance looks as though Hugo Chávez was the gunman that killed nine people in Omaha. --
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and a mismatched photo looks terrible. Fears about increased complaints because the Chavez story would be the highest story for longer - then move the photo down to sit next to that bullet point.
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Another way to approach it would be to consider different designs for days other than holidays, something more international in flavor anyway. I have no idea what this would entail, just a thought.
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No, quite frankly, this is an encyclopedia, not a forum, there are already too many children using this site, we shouldn't cater for them any more. Now bugger off and take this proposal with you.
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It shouldn't be featured. "It should be a story of an international importance, or at least interest." It does not have international importance and is common for 16 year olds to be pregnant.--
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So the photo should not match the lead in that box because it screws up formatting on another page. This is a lazy and half-assed reason to make Knowledge (XXG) look stupid on the main page.
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I, for one, think it's in interesting idea, and maybe fun to do. Clearly we'd have to pick only the most universal holidays, perhaps religious ones. National holidays, are, sadly, unimportant.
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Yes Howard, the complaint came from England, but the very first rebutel to the complaint came from the country just west of England, so you're right, all us Europeans MUST be anti-american.
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Halloween did not originate in Ireland. The 'end of summer' festival on October 31, ie what we now call Halloween, has been celebrated throughout much of Europe since pre-christian times.
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becoming more regular editors, just the mere site of the Knowledge (XXG) logo in a Santa hat (or any other holiday based paraphernalia), would show that there is evidence to the contrary.
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Um did you bother to read the FAQ answer at all? It didn't occur to me to link to it so it was good for Zyxx to point it out. It specifically address why we cannot move the photo down.
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exist solely for the benefit of people who speak English as a primary language. Regardless, there is no such thing as a "universal" or "near universal" holiday, even within said group.
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No offense, but have you considered the possibility that people have ignored the discussion because they don't regard this as a viable idea? That's why I initially declined to comment.
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national terms for many commonwealth countries some with significant English speaking (native or secondary) populations including India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, South Africa, Malaysia...
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Not Universal Enough" in fashion), the only thing needed to do would be to link them to the discussion that has already occurred (unless they can argue a massive growth in popularity).
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It was perfectly understandable to me... but then again, I'm a chemistry person. Just because its not an article about common knowledge doesn't mean that it can't be a good article.
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As a general rule, discussions from this page are archived by a bot after three days of inactivity. As soon as someone replies (regardless of what he/she says), the clock is reset.
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I was thinking that it could be simple recolourings to reflect the holiday (if that holiday has specific colours associated with it), and perhaps have a related featured article
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There have been several suggestions for change previously, so far none of them have gotten much support IIRC. In any case, I'm not sure if everyone is convinced it's a problem.
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Where I can report "one side" (not neutral) Admin ? The guy gave me warning for "personal attack" while other user called me "antisemitic" ! I didn't do anything to get a ban.
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Barring someone who knew Hawkins personally and has a photograph that they're willing to release under a free licence, the only real alternative would be for someone living in
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justify the notability of baseball (and US sports) in general, unless you think demonstrating the notability of baseball is sufficient that any story about it should be ITNed?
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Major League Baseball is a US-Canada league, but the players in the league come from dozens of countries around the world. So, yes, it definitely has an international impact.
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be proposed, because of the language barrier," I disagree. The English Knowledge (XXG) has a very large number of readers from countries where English does not predominate.
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Yes examples. The Queens birthday is all i can think of - england is too lame to celebrate anything properly, except 5 nov. I know this having lived in england for 14 years.
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neurone that released it. A reuptake inhibitor stops the neurotransmitter being taken back up, therefore prolonging the response. Hope that sort of helps you understand it!
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users computer clock might not be correct. Is there some way that the location of the user can be detected when the page is requested, and display the time as appropriate?
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durations? If not, this will offend some observers. If so, it might upset some celebrants of Christmas (who would receive only a single day). Or should we observe the
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which is known to cause confusion to some people. For example, readers in California would be told that today is, say, Friday whilst to them it is still 6pm on Thursday.
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Why is there a story on a report in to "major league baseball"? No one outside the USA plays Baseball, let alone cares about a USA league in such a little known sport.
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nation's (or at least those that are requested). Again, the issue of overlap would be quite problematic. Would we even have a standard main page design any longer?
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rather boring - if the rider were coming more towards us it would be much better. Shame that the FP is based on technical excellence rather than actual interest.
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Day is recognized in some English speaking countries but not others. Also India is an English speaking country and they among a few Caribbean countries celebrate
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Or, how about adding a border around the pic so the reader may think that it is not related to the top item? Or having colored rows (might look ugly though) --
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respond to your bringing the topic up regardless. I don't see how this idea could dis-improve peoples perceptions of Knowledge (XXG), for the following reason.
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one exists (which is something we pretty much do anyway), and perhaps to use the google example above, we could change the wikipedia logo appropriatly aswell.
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located in a shrine, it has been involved in a doping scandal inolving incubation, and it served as the antagonist in a story about nicotine...how close am I?
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country usually has its own national day, so like how the US has Independance Day... Australia has Australia Day and New Zealand has Waitangi Day for example.
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So that it is considered large enough to be put on the main page, and so that someone looking at it, would have a decent amount of information to go by. <
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Stick with what you like when you don't have anywhere else to go - you haven't refuted anything stated. And don't tell people what to do you pompous twat.
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What? Absolutely not. The day a junk tabloid story like that appears on the Main Page is the day that hell freezes over and I hang up my tools in shame.
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I believe it deserves a place on the main page news. It has to be the first time a first nation has seriously declared secession from the United States.
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operates (or could reasonably be expected to operate) like a newspaper or news website (placing the story designated the most important at the top). —
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while you can. On a side-note, I'm surprised there's been no outcry yet on the appearance of one of the Gwen Stefani FAs as Today's Featured Article.
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and have an article about Main Pages here, with a link at the top pointing to the wikipedia main page, but others say this will be too disruptive.--
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No. First of all, not all calendars start the new year today... Look in the "On this day..." section, and that's all you'll get; happy new year. ·
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But these events satisfy ITN's criteria of "international", so ITN's criteria would have to be changed in order for this to happen.
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No, that is not even "a blanket" endorsement "of any news about US sports being notable", several leagues were omitted, such as
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Oops..I mistook characters as a criteria to be words. Anyway, what is the rationale behind 1500 characters as the threshold ?
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Correction:We didn't decide not to, we're just waiting for someone to draft the proposal. Sorry about the mistake.
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Apologies for the late response. Perhaps my wording suggested otherwise, but I wasn't talking about people
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I was almost as offended by that as when I clicked "Random Article" and found myself staring at a pair of
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whether Euros complain the whole duration of Christmas and like it or not, despite it is "one" country. --
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it falls under, it would be fairly easy to make sure that no one category gets more than its fair share.
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I'd suggest creating a main page alternative, and see how that goes, before changing the default one.
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While it would be good, the problem is holidays are not always international. Let me break it down:
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This was a top story in several news TV stations (not just from the U.S.) so it was ITN-material. --
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hello..why we do not do a painting or a ward have "Happy new year" it is just for 1 day.--
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Like so! Easy enough to change, and makes a damn sight more sense than the current setup.
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I don't think it should be in ITN, but FYI it's on the front page of the NY Times today.
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Do you think we should include a news entry for the annoucment that she is pregnant?
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ok thanks for your answer Puchiko, i didn't know. I continue my contributions :-) --
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The best thing to do if you think a specific admin has acted badly would be to
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So he shot a lot of people and himself, and then waved cheerfully to the crowd?
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You guys are still talking about this? Fine, add colors for Chinese new year.
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Indeed I am. But reread for irony and look for the winking smiley at the end.
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clear case for what you're saying, backed up by diffs. You can also ask at
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altho I can't recall if this was in an article or a user comment somewhere
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and that is a *very* important time in India but it is days-- long. Also
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Okay... Wait... No... I don't get it... What are you trying to bring up?
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I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm simply disagreeing with you. —
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this right now, but might change my ind if I see the proposed criteria.
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rule that when submitting a fact, you have to add which of the 12 base
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subtle changes (like google) rather than complete reskins (like, say,
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if there truly is a problem, but if you do so, be prepared to make a
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If we just want a new image, a photo of the PM of Togo would be good
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Ok..but whivh mistake...i think that we will not do this project.--
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Agreed, I don't see how there is any problem with this template on
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Didn't say it was, just trying to show how irrelevant spears is.
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1. Of, relating to, being, derived from, or having a title"
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So basically you're saying you don't want any sport on ITN?
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getting pregnant, it was big news in the world of pervs. --
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would be fun for some, but this isn't a social website. —
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Need to refresh Simpsons article on main page for 17th Dec
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And a generic old image of Chavez is better because... --
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This is but a tiny taste of the issues that would arise.
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Speaking as an non-american, neither statement is true.
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You got a result of 247 because you accidentally did a
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or even creating a separate article about it). Thanks!
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et cetera. This would literally be a daily occurrence.
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2193:And st patricks day!! make it all green!! for real
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1914:Luckily you didn't next find yourself staring at
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