Talk:Methamphetamine/Archive 1

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ancedotal information regarding recent rise in meth labs, why cops are busting them like crazy now (serious public safety issue) mobile meth labs, waste etc. I realize my changes are anonymous, but this is mainly for legal, employer, family reasons and in no way an attempt to hide my identity from wikipedias or any other improper reasons (as long as google is around I cant take the risk) Feel free to edit as you please, I just wanted to include additional material to really qualify how dangerous it is. dry: Almost every person i've ever met with that has been involved in the production of meth is suffering from some type of insanity / brain damage / mental defect. They did not start that way. Dont forget to learn about what is likely to become of you when you are learning how to cook. If this doesn't sound like the people you know, congradulations.

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have no experience myself) have told me that you use less than you normally would. Its normal for someone to snort or eat maybe .1 of a gram. In other woods .2 grams is quite a bit, especially if injected. Also, 3ml of water? Doesn't that make it a pretty huge syringe? The only ones I'm familar with are diabetes syringes and as far as I know the biggest size is 1 ml. I'm not sure most users would know where to get larger needles as they generally seem to go for insulin needles because of the ease of aquisition, it being plausible that they may have diabetes and take insulin. Compare with a 3 ml needle. I have no idea what drugs would be administered by a 3ml syringe but it would be a lot in my opinion

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due to the HIV crisis, I would argue that better, proactive education is responsible for the visibility. Heterosexuals don't have as structured a system in place for recognizing and eliminating social crises. There are no "straight meth support groups." There are no "straight" support organizations dedicated to eliminating STDs and unsafe behavior in "their" community. I don't mean to make this an "us vs. them" but point out that because there is a "community," there is a "crisis." Further, saying gays are more likely to tweak is akin to saying gays are more likely to be pedophiles. In the absence of evidence, the statement becomes inherently homophobic.

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cocaine in a year. Tolerance doesn't necessarily mean physical dependence, though. People who drink alcohol regularly (say, several times per week) may have to drink two or three times as much as someone who doesn't drink to get the same effect, and this is often observed in the absence of any w/d syndrome. So just because a drug causes tolerance doesn't mean it must cause physical dependence. I used alcohol as an example because most people have some experience with it, not because it's a drug that doesn't cause physical w/d (it does), but the situation I described is one where there is no physical withdrawal.

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still evolved, even if in minute amounts. But actually, the vapour of the drug alone is enough to rot a tooth to its core. Many other (nasty) chemicals are created when it is vapourized. So really, depending on the method of use, hygeine, etc, depends on the severity of tooth decay. Say a user was to only snort the drug, dry mouth would probably be the main cause. Really it just depends. But yeah, HCl gas vapours is going to do its damage - it is highly corrosive. But also, methamphetamine itself is pretty corrosive. In a lot of cases, its just everything put together that causes such horrible dental effects.--

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comes off of a manic phase. Simple chronic sleep deprivation can also cause many of the same symptoms as abruptly stopping stimulant usage. Just because there are physiological changes associated with the cessation of methamphetamine use doesn't necessarily imply that those changes are (1) pathological or (2) the simple result of cessation alone. I am also skeptical of the claim that methamphetamine w/d causes seizures. Given that methamphetamine can be epileptogenic in its own right, any seizures are probably the result of the drug and not the withdrawal.

2601:"Methamphetamine can be swallowed, snorted, smoked, dissolved in water and injected,inserted anally (with or without dissolution in water), or into the urethra." Urethra? Since when? No sane person would administer meth urethrally. The only drugs administered urethrally are for erectile dysfunction. Where's the evidence of people actually doing it for desirable effects? I mean, you can insert meth into your urethra if you want to, but you can also insert it into your ear, eye, vagina, belly button or armpit if you want to. There's just no reason to. -- 2631:, have a look at the journal article for yourself - or were you too busy jumping to conclusions before looking at the data that these doctors wrote for you? A man inserts methamphetamine into his urethra (a large amount), which results in mechanical and pharmacological trauma. Inserting these drugs into the urethra works, and is dangerous because it works TOO well. But it still works, and produces desirable effects if the user is careful. On a more personal note, a friend of mine used to this this with his wife during sex.-- 314:

these new legislations will simply shift some of the bottom end of the market back to the gangs and the corrupt law enforcement and customs agents who get paid to let this stuff through. It's pretty easy to see when you actually look at it they are restricting OTC pseudoephedrine simply to bring back the more, for the law enforcement, manageable situation of a smaller number of big labs which require as much forensics work as the little labs, but net a much bigger public relations score for the police.

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syndrome that includes sleepiness and depression - and that's what we see. The same can be said of alcohol and benzodiazepines, which are CNS depressants. The drugs cause sleepiness and decreased anxiety. The w/d effects of these drugs include overstimulation of the nervous system, anxiety, and hallucinations, as we would expect. So, I think that comparing meth withdrawal to any non-stimulant drug to would be a mistake.

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Internet. Every person that I have ever met that has been involved in the production of methamphetamine has either been an expirienced chemist or has learned how firsthand from one. However, I am not encouraging or discouraging methamphetamine use or production, as that would represent a POV. But I do think we should emphasize the dangers of production and the importance of learning how from someone with expierience.

507:). When drug dealers cut drugs, they try to find chemicals that are easy to get, have similar physical properties as the drug itself, and are non-toxic. Drug dealers usually don't like to use toxic substances at cutting agents, because if a drug user dies, that's one less customer to sell to. Then again, there are plenty of dealers who couldn't care less if someone dies, and will use whatever's around the house. 1892:

making heroin. Eastern Europe is also a center for methamphetamine production as well as other synthetic illicit drugs. The lack of controls on pseudoephedrine and the other chemicals involved in methamphetamine synthesis across most of the world also has made its production more appealing to clandestine manufacturers compared to other drugs (eg: MDMA, cocaine, heroin) whose precursors are more tightly controlled.

97:) and l-amphetamine . The synthesis methods are likely racemic, producing equal quantities of both d/l, however, the d-isomer is more potent. The molecule image does not represent the chiraliy of the molecule. Barring any objections, I would like to include these facts (and references) in the article and change the image to represent the d-isomer of methamphetamine. ~~davidknippers 1878:

data would put something up, then I'm sure we would all be more than happy to read and enjoy. I have yet to visit any other country - and navigate their illegal drug scene - so I honestly couldn't tell you one iota of information about the production in such locations. Sorry man, but the data will be up there just as soon as someone with the data is willing to put it up.

1439:; the brand name of the drug used during the war was merged into history, if someone is attached to to anything from the military use that was deleted i'd recomend they pop it back into the relevant place in the history section. hopefully it is better organized and easier to read now, but as i said above, i think it should be split into sub articles. -- 999:

recently reading a paper who's theory was the more and more times cocaine is administered, each time there are less euphoria/well being/physical effects. At the same time, the drive to do more and more of it, even though the user gets no gratification from the drug, becomes stronger and stronger each time. I'll have to dig this up.

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Agreed. Besides, if dry mouth alone caused tooth decay, we would expect to see most marijuana smokers with rotting teeth. The tooth decay thing is definitely associated with meth (and to a lesser degree, cocaine). The etiology of this has always interested me. To my knowledge, no one knows why it

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The use of dirty needles by IV drug users (which includes meth addicts) is a huge contributer to the spread of HIV and STDs. The title of the section is "Effects" and goes on to describe the factors that cause meth use to be associated with HIV/STD infection. Use of dirty needles is both relevant and

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Injection doses usually range from about 100mg to upwards of 1 gram. Injection use is typically more intense (subjectively), so people new to IV use might use less. Some of the addicts I've known would shoot as much drug as they could dissolve in a .5ml insulin syringe. Being a salt, street meth is

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Maybe the slang is different in different parts of the country/world. I have always been under the impression that "tweaking" occurs while the person is high on the drug, not during or after the crash. Tweaking is recognizable because the user/addict stays up for days at a time, and does repetitive

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Just to put a bit of a more even slant on this article, it should be pointed out that the small scale labs and small time operators do not account for very much of the production in most places, most meth is actually made from bulk diverted pills or even pure crystal, likewise for the other reagents,

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I am a scientist, and must admit right here that I jumped too quickly to a response supporting that it is methamphetamine alone that causes 'meth mouth.' Depending on purity (and how acidic the methamphetamine is) depends on how much HCl gas is created upon vapourization of the drug - but HCl gas is

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With regard to "structural similarity", the most important issue here is that it's structurally related to dopamine and (nor)adrenaline, which allows it bind to the presynaptic transporter for these two amines. The addition of the methyl group to phenethylamine's alpha carbon is merely done to allow

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Well, methamphetamine is hugely popular in the United States, which accounts for the superlative examples. I see your point, nonetheless, and am without the data to supply this article with information pertaining to the production of, say, Yaba tablets. If some - Non-American - Wikipedians with such

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Anything that is snorted through the nose can cause a deviated septum, especially in the case of "unrefined" methamphetamines with impurities. Direct physical trauma (chemicals, cutting agents) can cause it, aside from any effects on the blood vessels. There are also cases of folks snorting "meth"

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It is not physically addictive in the same sense that opiates, benzodiazepines and (to some extent) alcohol are. There is no severe physical withdrawl syndrome upon abrupt cessation as with those other drugs. There, of course, are unpleasant psychological effects. Cocaine is not physically addictive

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Also, it's worthwhile to note that the amount of drug an addict uses is going to be a LOT higher than anything used in medicine, so even though the highest tablet strength of Desoxyn is 15mg (time release), one can expect a drug addict to use at *least* ten times that amount per dose, and that's for

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please touch up entire production area. should it even be at the top? I dont think so. I attempted to correct what I thought was a serious POV problem in that 'its ok to cook meth if you learn from someone that knows' or 'the chemicals involved are only moderately dangerous'. as such i added alot of

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From the article "The HCl salt of meth can be vapourised in a glass pipe or smoked with cannabis or other materials because it dissociates into HCl gas and gaseous methamphetamine freebase at approximately 190 °C." Im no scientist, but to me, that quote means a user is inhaling acid along with the

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Acid vapours are a cause for 'meth mouth' in a clandestine laboratory setting. The reference to dry mouth is specific to users - not cooks in a bad laboratory. Many things cause the tooth decay. Mainly though it is the dry mouth and grinding (and just bad hygiene, period). Not all meth addicts cook

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but many gay activists have countered that it's sensationalist and stereotypical. In truth few studies have been done, and while research does show meth has "infiltrated" many gay subcultures, little hard evidence points to it being disproportionate. However since the gay community has "reformed"

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I agree with everything you have said. Thanks for helping clean up this stupidly-edited article. I wholey disagree with your view on how recreational use is 'by definition' abuse. This idea is baseless. Only you can decide what is abuse - for yourself. If you feel that smoking marijuana one time is

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I think that saying that Methamphetamine is chemically structered similar to that of other stimulatns is misleading. It has a benzene ring, their are soooooo many compounds that have benzene rings. In fact, you could say that Methampetamine is structured similiarly to aspirin. I though I would post

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Methamphetamine production and abuse is huge in Southeast Asia. Kind of like how the Colombian cartels started making heroin when they figured out it was easier than making cocaine and equally if not more profitable, SE Asian drug cartels started producing methamphetamine because it was easier than

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I removed the following sentence: "It has been demonstrated clinically that methamphetamine use dries the mouth, and saliva combats tooth decay by washing bacteria off the teeth" for a couple of reasons. It is true that as a sympothetic agonist, methamphetamine can cause xerostomia, and it is true

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The fact is, crystal methamphetame does, in fact, cause particularly physical withdrawals, which may be erroneously classified as psychological, because of the neurological nature of the withdrawal. Seizures are a common withdrawal symptom associated with meth use. The confusion rests in the fact

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As far as a definition for tolerance goes, the standard definition is that the user must increase the dose over time to get the same effect out of the drug. This is perhaps most obvious in heroin users who can inject 50 times the normal lethal dose, or cocaine users who can go through $ 500,000 of

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I agree that benzodiazapines would serve as a good example of a drug with a well defined physical withdrawl syndrome. Cocaine users do not develop tolerance in the same way users of alcohol, benzos, or opioids do. There is even some evidence that there is a "negative tolerance" effect. I disagree

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Assuming that it is currently used by the US Military, which I believe it is not. I think that at most, amphetamine would be currently in use. But even then it wouldn't be used to increase productivity in the field, but rather for use in an emergency situation. If amphetamine(s) is still in use, I

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i've reorganized the page. none of the info was removed, although some is no longer so in depth; the several paragraphs discussing rotting teeth were cut down, for instance, taking into consideration the lack of any clinical testing on the matter. the "military use" section was removed as it was

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Yet another reason to use cocaine withdrawal for comparison (aside from similar drug effects and similar withdrawal effects) is that the two drugs work the same way, i.e. monoamine reuptake inhibition. This cannot be said of opiates (opiate receptors), benzodiazepines (GABA receptors), or alcohol

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None of the other options (alcohol/benzodiazepines/opiates) cause anything like this, so IMO cocaine is the best example of this type of dependence (though not a perfect example). Neither cocaine nor meth has a well-described withdrawal syndrome, and it is still debatable whether the apparent w/d

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Not that anyone asked me, but I'll give you my opinion on this subject anyway. I think cocaine is the best example of the type of tolerance/dependence caused by meth unless we're going to use something like d-amphetamine. Amphetamines do cause a withdrawal syndrome, but it's nothing like the w/d

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I can cite my personal experience as facts as well... for anyone who is interested. The methamphetamine dealer is presently at the end of his sentence (arrested in 2002 for possession WITD of 690g of lab meth). Not hiding any secrets here. I just would rather our given names not be available in

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I would have to say .2 grams is indeed *way* more than anything I know of people normally injecting. People often will snort or eat .2 grams (closest street measurement is a quarter gram. Not a huge quanitity, but still a substantial ammount.) The people who I've spoken with regarding injection (I

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Actually, given that abuse is defined as a variety of things, part of the definition used by the medical community of abuse is using the drug in ways that it was not prescribed. The vast majority of meth as used by meth users are in ways that no doctor would ever prescribed. Recreational use of

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Shouldn't the current military application of this substance be included in this article? I don't have the sources on hand to add the information myself, but my understanding is that methamphetamine is still used regularly (at least by the American military) by pilots and certain ground units for

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I also disagree. To the extent that there is a neurological correlate to a given mental state (withdrawal, in this case) methamphetamine and other stimulant withdrawal is physical, but as someone else above pointed out, the same physiological changes can be seen when someone with bipolar disorder

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Well, ok. If it's not already done, there needs to be some solid definitions of terms that are going to be used. Tolerance (and the apparant different types), physical/psychological dependence, phys/psych addiction. I think I know where you're going with the "negative tolerance effect". I was

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Forgive me if other references have talked about it, but apparently cocaine also has the potential to effect the expression of a gene related to endorphins. This has long term effects if not permanent on not just brain chemistry or genetics, but also emotionally and with regards to relationships.

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I don't know about hepatic failure. AFAIK, the liver doesn't play much of a role in metabolism, since most of the drug is excreted unchanged in urine. I have heard reports of IV use causing kidney (renal) failure, though it's unclear whether this is caused by meth or some kind of adulterant. I

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dangerous process, and one that can result in property and environmental damage, and potentially death. Second of all, as all ingredients involved in the production of methamphetamine, one mistake can be fatal. I would not trust my life or the lives of naive Wikipedians to a recipe taken from the

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Additionally, I reiterate that I would like to see the withdrawal portion of the article upgraded to specificy that methamphetamine does possess specific physical withdrawal symptoms, most especially with concentrated use over an extended period of time. The broad statement that methamphetamine

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Anyone looking for citations (regarding the US) should poke around the Des Moines Register and other Midwest newspapers, the Register in particular has run many different series on these issues (including a recent article about meth mouth). California may have been the Meth capital in 1986 but

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A relatively new user is not going to ingest 150mg of pure methamphetamine. Even daily users develop relatively little actual tolerance. Any increased dosage is mainly an attempt to overcome dopamine depletion. Take supplements to boost dopamine production and suddenly the required dosage is

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Yes, it can be inserted into the urethra, just like cocaine. It produces an intense concentration of methamphetamine. Doing this with cocaine is considered dangerous, same goes for this. Your comment about a sane person using meth urethrally. . . No sane person would smoke meth to the point of

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I believe the article fails to mention hallucinations an an effect of the drug. It talks about stimulant psychosis hallucinations and sleep deprivation hallucinations, but not acute hallucinations caused by hyperactivity in the visual cortex immediately upon consumption. This is a pronounced

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Proposition 36 is an anti-freedom measure. Being a drug offender merely means you were caught with illegal drugs, not that you have a problem with drugs or need anyone's help. Admittedly being forced into going to rehab is somewhat better than going to prison for something as trivial as drug

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I disagree. See my explanation under "Cocaine" above. I'm also not aware of meth withdrawal causing seizures. I do know meth use is associated with seizures, but not meth w/d. If there are studies showing this association, I would be interested in how long after the last dose of meth these

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Furthermore, as a general rule, one can assume that the withdrawal effects (both physical and psychological) of a drug will be similar to the opposite effects of the drug. For example, meth/cocaine are CNS stimulants that cause extreme wakefulness and euphoria, so we would expect to see a w/d

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Amphetamines are used by the military, given mostly to pilots that must go on long missions. They are commonly referred to as "Go-Pills" in the military. There is also another pill given when the pilot returns to help him sleep. However, I highly doubt that they are given methamphetamine.

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I did not mention the jurisdiction in the because the community is relatively small, because I do not seek to give free political endorsements to any elected officials, and because I have no desire to claim that the county is first to do so or that the practice is limited to that county or to

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The only thing that bothered me about this article is that Knowledge, as an encyclopedia, should not be about opinions; rather, it should be as factual, accurate and neutral as humanly possible. I treat information I find on this website as seriously as information I find in the Encyclopedia

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As someone who was in a long-term relationship with a methamphetamine dealer, I have got a good idea what is street-cut and what isn't. It is not unheard of for experienced users weighing between 170 to 190 lbs, to use an entire 250 mg in one IV shot, of relatively uncut, fresh-from-the-lab

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The main problem I had was this "Cocaine seemed a bad example of physical addiction as tolerance does not develop and there is not really an acute physical withdrawl syndrome." The link above states blatantly that it does, anencdotal experience also shows that without a doubt that it does.

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Agreed. Those high doses must be with heavily cut street methamphetamine. Even a seasoned user could not manage an entire gram of pure methamphetamine. Furthermore the tolerance wears off extremely quickly. I've encountered quite a few long-term users and they were not using megadoses.

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today, it's the Midwest. Many state laws have been passed restricting pseudoephedrine, so the thousands of meth labs are starting to give way to an explosion of trafficked crystal meth, apparently bringing a surge of heroin traffic with it. (She swallowed the spider to catch the fly)

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Meth is a huge problem in Oregon, and I added the section about the pharmaceutical restriction law. I'm not 100 percent positive I got everything, but I got the gist of it. I feel that this article does not cover the near epidemic that meth is causing, especially among low-income areas.

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Then should it not say that it belongs to the class of drugs known as phenethylamines ? Then you could reference the other psychoactive drugs instead of just lumping it in with various stimulants. Furthermore you could also bring into discussion the book Pihkal. Just a thought atleast.

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I would just like to point out the first paragraph, which is obviously inappropriate. "Methamphetamine is good if you want to get high. I strongly recommend meth if you are looking to start taking drugs. Its not that expensive either!!!!!" Please restore to the original introduction.

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Knowledge should not be used for selfish political opinions. Please remove the content in the paragraph titled "Current Controversy". Drug abuse in the United States is a serious problem. The attack on the Bush adminstration in "Current Controversy" lowers the integrity of Knowledge!

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My suggestion is about Japanese streetname of the drug. 'Shabu' is a street name which is used by Yakuza, that name was not popular before ban of the drug. Before methamphetamine ban, 'Philopon' (ヒロポン) was the most popular name. 'Philopon' is a trademark of Dainippon Sumitomo Pharma

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and drug related emergency room statistics indicate there are twice as many meth users as heroin and cocaine/crack users combined in the state. Other western states' data also indicate very high usage. Any claims of victory over the meth crisis seem to be War on Drugs propaganda.

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How about instead of talking about (this is funny:) "ingridiants," we talk about chemicals and laboratory procedure? I mean, just considering the fact that methamphetamine is not a narcotic cocktail of drugs that make some 'super mutant drug stirred in a stock pot for 5 hours.'

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Drug-related emergency room statistics are worthless as a measure of a problem with any particular drug. If you come in after a satellite falls on your head and they find methamphetamine in your blood or you mention being on it, it gets recorded as methamphetamine-related.

2620:- but they do it anyway. So there, that deflates THAT particular part of your argument. SOME people who use methamphetamine do stupid stuff, get it? You ask: "Since when?" Since people discovered it works, thats when. Then you ask for evidence. Evidence? Here you go BUD: 1810:

is unrelated the injury caused by snorting drugs. Two, it is the well-known vasoconstrictive effects of cocaine which lead to ischemia and necrosis of the septum. Amphetamines are not commonly associated with this sort of damage so this claim really needs a citation.

2571:). Both drugs are CNS stimulants, and MDMA especially, has a strong stimulant effect on the sex drive, both for gay and straight people. In other words, it's commonly used regardless of sexuality. You should also avoid confusing the term "gay" with "addicted to sex." 2297:, which may not be the first. I cannot state that sentences of persons convicted of drug manufacture and either environmental offenses or child abuse/endangerment will serve terms consecutively as convicted and sentenced; sentences could be appealed and reversed. 2785:

Methamphetamine is the still number one illigal hard drug in Japan. Most common street name is 'speed' or 'S', and usually used by smoking. Methamphetamine regulation is very strict and difficult to use for medical purpose. (ADHD is treated with methylphenidate.)

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I can assure you with 100% confidence that A. Ogata was the first one to synthesize methamphetamine. L. Edeleano is the one who first synthesized Amphetamine (which he called phenylisopropylamine). I will delete L. Edeleano and add it to the AMPHETAMINE entry.

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Recreational use is (by its very definition) abuse. The sentence after that is completely baseless; if there is a reference for it, then please add it. Otherwise, do not add this statement back into the article. The last part may be true, but it doesn't say

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tasks, which can manifest as anything from vacuuming the house five times in a row to building multiple unfinished projects at a time. After the crash, the person usually sleeps for days on end. Upon awakening, the addict begins craving the drug again.

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I think you went to far in the other direction with this. You point out some of the problem yourself when you describe the information as "ancedotal." I don't think it is ever a good idea to include unsupported statements. Deffinate POV issues here.

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Heterosexuals do not experience the sexual compulsion that gay men do on methamphetamine. This is due to the method of introduction of crystal meth into our subculture is tied in with sex. I am gay and I doubt that you are. This is not a bigoted

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Another thing to note is that tolerance to meth is a major deciding factor to street dosage. After long periods (usually years) of use, the dopamine/norepinephrine receptors in the brain become more difficult to activate, so the dose used goes way

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here before I changed it in order to get more input on my feelings toward the first sentence in the "Production" section. I'm new to wikipedia so perhaps this is not the correct course of action and if that is the case i apologize. ~~davethegnome

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Please provide references for these neurological changes. Meth is known to be neurotoxic after chronic administration but that is very different from the classic withdrawl syndromes produced by opioids, benzodiazepines and ethyl alcohol.

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to which a section about N-methylamphetamine (and other analogs) can be added. After all, that single methyl group doesn't change the drug's mechanism of action and psychopharmacological effect at all, merely the pharmacokinetics of the

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My issue wasn't really whether or not you think alcohol a more suitable example, it does fit. So do a lot of others, though. I would pick benzodiazapines if I was writing the article, but I'd rather just make comments and suggestions.

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The differences in chirality between d/l methamphetamines is not mentioned in the article. While I do not have sources, I was under the impression the chirality of the molecule changes its effects, like the comparison of d-amphetamine

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I do believe that Desoxyn is (at the least) manufactured by Ovation Pharma these days as Abbott has sold the rights of the drug to Ovation (in their attempt to move away from the production and distribution of conrolled substances.)

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I have personally used nearly a full 250mg dose of uncut high-quality crystal methamphetamine several times. This was toward the end of 2000, and once in 2001. I don't recommend it, but it is common enough among experienced, heavy

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One failing point in this research is I don't see much about testing for brain changes due to other pleasurable activities. It is also possible, perhaps even likely, that you have to have certain genetic traits to get addicted.

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I assume you were refering to the one before the history section, which i've fixed. the tag has been removed accordingly. If this wasn't what you were talking about i apologize and you should pop that tag right back up there.

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For example, "Former users have noted that they feel stupid or dull when they quit using methamphetamine. This is because the brain is adapting a need for methamphetamine to think faster, or at what seems to be a higher level"

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Yes, I know physical addiction is not the same as tolerance, did I say that? If you read Nestler's paper, the common theme he comes back to is physical/psychological addiction overlap, the precise reason why I referenced it.

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There is a lot of data in this that is either incomplete or outdated. I had actually missed that portion of it. With modern chemist's techniques, street methamphetamine is becoming purer, and many of the symptoms are more

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Well, you've completely eradicated any hope of validity for any of your statements with your strikingly POV comment above. Furthermore, do you check dates? This debate is over a year old. Start a new one at the bottom.

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Cocaine seemed a bad example of physical addiction as tolerance does not develop and there is not really an acute physical withdrawl syndrome. I substituted alcohol, which has quite powerfull physical withdrawl symptoms.

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I do not agree that it is misleading. Sure, the structure is not similar to caffeine, or cocaine, but the similarity with other stimulants goes beyond just having a phenyl group in common. Actually, if you start with

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I haven't heard of any reports that meth has become an "epidemic" among the gay population. If you've heard of any of this in the news media or elsewhere, please provide the link or reference. You might be confusing

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that xerostomia can cause tooth decay, but the mechanism is not as simple as washing bacteria off the teeth. It is also not clear that methamphetamine use causes periodontal disease by this mechanism. We need to

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The claim that homosexual men are more sexually promiscuous as a group is inflammatory POV that doesn't belong here. It is bigoted and incorrect. Googuse was justified in editing that preposterous claim out of the

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syndrome is a true w/d or is just the result of long-term high-level CNS stimulation. Note that these same symptoms are experienced by bipolar patients after a manic episode, and we don't call that a w/d syndrome.

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syndrome we usually see with physical dependence. Alcohol and benzo withdrawal can kill via seizures. Opioid w/d is *extremely* unpleasant. The meth w/d syndrome is most like cocaine w/d. Similarities include:

100:...Further research has revealed that brand name desoxyn is a (S)-enantiomer (dextro). I'll change the image to represent the dextro isomer and add an appropriate exploration of the difference in chemistry soon. ( 1895:

I would put this in the article now but I don't have the cites rustled up yet. If anyone else can build on this, please go right ahead. Methamphetamine use and abuse is not strictly a North American phenomenon.

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They are experiencing a rise in HIV and STD transmission because of the "pig-sex" in which they participate while on it, and rarely from exchanging needles. Most gay men who use crystal these days are smoking

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No doubt there are permanent or near-permanent changes in the brains of addicts, as Nestler describes. This is not the same as tolerance. Cocaine remains a very poor choice for an example of physical addiction.

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There is no reason to use specific slang terms such as "barebacking". Just calling it unprotected sex is easier to understand and removes the emphasis from him being homosexual, to him not using protection.-

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Don't make judgements. Present the facts, and let the reader make the judgement. For example, it would be pointless to say "Hitler is evil", when presented with the fact that he killed millions of people.

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100mg is a lot of methampetamine, even for a new user. Intranasally that is a huge dose. Intravenously it would insane. Intravenous users and smokers will typically use lower doses than oral or nasal

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While I personally agree with you, Bk0, telling another user that his/her assertions are "absurd" is neither polite nor civil, and has the potential of intensifying stress and conflict. Please read

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I agree with Portillo. The purpose of the wikipedia is to provide objective information. If Methamphetamine does indeed enhance the sexual exprience, shouldn't that be in the article somewhere? --

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There is no meth crisis. It happens to be popular at present. Although it's popularity may actually be a consequence of the war on some drugs being that it is an easy drug to produce locally.

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I don't really understand what you're arguing for. Make whatever edits you feel are necessary to the article, they'll be adjusted as needed to reach a consensus version we're all happy with. --

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Nestler's research appears to confirm the possibility of increased sensitivity. The mechanisms he describe definitely don't point to steadily increasing tolerance as seen with depressants.

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methamphetamine. This is based on personal experience. I have seen grown men use 300-350mg in injection. This was done after the men in question had been "on a run" for several days.

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In all cases I am referring to doses of pure methamphetamine. You can't judge quantities based on street methamphetamine since you cannot determine the extent to which it has been cut.

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this is true. I believe mainly because of its stimulatory effects on the sex drive. Don't have any references for it, though. I do know that they like to mix it with viagra, as well.--

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Gay men are experience a rapid rise of HIV and syphalis (which cannot be transmitted introvenously) becuase of methamphetamine use. This is 1) important to the article and 2) a fact.

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I think that there might be a confusion of words and or substances. Maybe someone is refering to the teething of babies and how to reduce the pain affiliated with it. I thought about

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I recently heard that extc does not enhance sexual feelings. Is this accurate? I personally have felt that while on speed or meth or extc that i get more sexually aroused. ~~Portillo

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purely psychologically addictive is being proven to be a fallacy. The physical changes that methamphetamine causes in the neurological systems of its users is proof against this. --

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The Nestler research confirms that there is no long-term build-up of tolerance to cocaine. Initial use might produce a stronger response, but the adaptation is rapid, then stable.

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because it's not pertinent to this paragraph. You can write a paragraph on HIV and Hepatitis C transmission if you like in which you discuss dirty needles. The simple facts are:

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Near the end of the ==Production== section the article states "Hamilton police reported in 2003 of a case of a mobile meth lab" but I don't think it mintions where Hamilton is. —

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Having experimented with sleep deprivation I can confirm that being deprived of sleep produces many of the effects typically considered to be directly caused by methamphetamine.

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I just verified that Abbott Pharmaceuticals owns the patent for Desoxyn (not Ovation Pharma as listed in the article). I'm going to change that. For more info see this page:

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MrSparkle, I've edited those paragraphs and hopefully moved them a bit more towards NPOV, although it'd definitely help if someone could find some citations to back them up.

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illegal drugs is a separate issue, but using is clearly abuse by that definition (since Meth is rarely prescribed by a doctor and created at times from prescription drugs).

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Please don't insert opinions or any other unreferenced material. It will be either deleted or marked with a "Citation needed" tag (the latter only when it seems plausible).

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There are more than the following references, and I belive you will have to find one if you want to know about how the genetic changes effect you socially and emotionally.

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It's POV to claim that drug abuse in the U.S. is a serious problem, or to imply that drug abuse in the U.S. is a problem that should be solved by government intervention.

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Did you read -- "Another aspect of addiction to cocaine or other agents is tolerance, defined as a reduction in the response to the drug upon repeated administration."

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This section of the article gives great examples of production that is found in the United States, but fails to mention anywhere else in the world other than Mexico.

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abuse - that is your own personal definition. Recreational Use and Abuse are defined by the user. What is a problem for you is not a problem for me, and vice versa.

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I suspect the elimination half life is incorrect. Most of the literature suggests it is between 10 and 20 hours, with a shorter half life when urinary pH is low.

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Please note that Knowledge does not advocate drug use. If you're looking for information on successful usage of crystal meth, I suggest you visit a website like

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The 'therapeutic' community live in their own little fantasy world. They've been spouting boneheaded rubbish for decades so they're hardly a reliable source.

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I think that the person who wrote that paragraph made a good point! I mean meth will get you high and it is not very expensive... come on where's the beef???

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This almost sounds like the author is instructing people to cook meth according to recipies found on the Internet. First of all, cooking methamphetamine is a

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I have re-edited the section. The problem with sexual compulsion, which is not the same thing as promiscuity, has been amended to refer to gay and bisexual

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I assumed "Able Laboraties" was a typo, as Abbott is a well know manufacturer of methamphetamine. I am not sure if they produce a generic or just Desoxyn.

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Persons have been convicted of environmental crimes, child abuse or endangerment, and theft of anhydrous ammonia, in addition to the manufacture of meth.

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About the discovery date; I was discovered by a nazi scientist working for merck pharmaceuticals in 1887. METHADRINE was discovered in 1919 by the Japs.

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Regarding burns caused by methamphetamine labs: "...accounting for over 30% of cases in some parts of the nation" was deleted, due to lack of reference.

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The first county in which I have noticed the prosecution of meth 'cookers' for environmental offenses and child abuse relating to meth manufacture is

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Smoking methamphetamine causes tooth decay. Methamphetamine vapor is acidic, and some of it is deposited on the teeth, causing enamel loss and decay.

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a good review article on physical/psychological addiction. if you don't have journal access email me skrewler@gmail.com and i'll send you the .pdf

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Only if there is a non-Knowledge, non-original research reference, article, or other published factual source to draw from. This is as per the

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Please place information in the correct section. Information about laws should be in the "Legal issues" section, not the "Production" section.

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Michigan. I refuse to speculate on the spread of the practice to other jurisdictions because of the limitation of my knowledge on the matter.

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The part about repetitive behavior should be expanded because that is a major part of meth's effects. The slang word for it is "tweaking".

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i read (albeit in the rotten library) that there is something of a meth epidemic amongst gays. does anyone have any references for this?

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informative. Do not edit that out again simply because you apparently want the article to focus on the alleged promiscuity of gay men.

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I apologize, it was not meant in an uncivil way although I agree I shouldn't have worded it that way. Thank you for correcting me. --

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An active dose would seem to be about 20 mg (2 Desoxyn tablets). The dose in the text would correspond to 10 times the active dose.

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If you're gay then how are you qualified to comment on the sexual compulsion or lack thereof in heterosexuals on methamphetamine?

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I'm just a tad concerned about the (for lack of a better word) unprofessional attitude that comes across in the following passage:

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Hi, I'd tried to rewrite a section relate to Japan, but my English is quite limited. So could someone help to rewrite an article?

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I can cite many articles if you would like, as well as the rise in outreach programs toward gay men about methamphetamine and sex.

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that the physical symptoms are not as pronounced or as apparent as opiate or alcohol withdrawal, but are, ultimately, no less

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Getting honest about it will make it go away. I would like to see the problem go away, because I care about my community.

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There are physical withdrawal symptoms from any level of alcohol tolerance. The severity depends on the level of tolerance.

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with Purves's use of "cocaine" in that sentence from his textbook for the same reasons I though it was a poor example here.

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propaganda (which is POV)? I don't know enough about the process, nor am I confident I wouldn't go too far the other way. --

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Try not to repeat information that was already presented earlier in the article. It is already longer than is desirable.

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imo this page should be broken into subpages, it's getting quite large which is no good for people who don't know about

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Also, "With long-term methamphetamine use, enough dopamine will have flooded the brain to cause chemical cell damage".

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Surely this needs a reference too. I've heard of glutamate causing cell damage through excitotoxicity, but dopamine??

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Why are there two "Effects" sections? This article needs a complete cleanup. I'll start as soon as I get some time.

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Britannica - any sides of a multi-faceted issue are presented, but, unless I'm much mistaken, they are not argued.

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Um, Yeah, that's why I changed it. Someone posts bad information, then someone who knows better makes the change.

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Tolerance doesn't develop from cocaine use? Have you ever used cocaine? Where do you get your information from?

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The whole article is a mess and does not represent anything "encyclopedic." A much re-vamp is needed overall.--

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How on earth can dry mouth be worse than acid vapors? Look at the pictures on rotten.com, the teeth look melted.

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quite soluble in water. I don't know the exact solubility, but it's probably around 1-2 grams per milliliter.

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Should there be tips on how to make good quality meth - less impurities. Impurities are dangerous you know

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Methamphetamine should never be referred to by any of its nicknames - this is an encyclopedia, not a blog.

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Yeah that dosen't sound too good. I heard some things about 5-HT binding to DA, which causes toxicity.

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It does go by tina in the south east us... I have never heard christina. I guessed the origin however.

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We don't yet know what, if any, real negative consequences there are from any neurological changes.

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Having seen what this stuff can do, all use is abuse - there's no such thing as 'recreational'use.

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Dextroamphetamine or amphetamine salt are much more likely to be what's found in those "Go-Pills".

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So, A. Ogata synthesized Methamphetamine in 1919, and L. Edeleano synthesized Amphetamine in 1887.

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a relatively new user. The same is true for any other street drug that is also used in medicine.

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seizures occurred. If it was within 72 hours, it was likely caused by the drug, not the w/d.

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physically addictive a simple, incontrovertable fact? It seems counterintuitive to me. --

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Are you sure meth is called speed, because they are two totally different substances.. --

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No amount of sugar coating and pretending the problem doesn't exist will make it go away.

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sorry you really meant Tina as in Christina as in slang for Crystal Methamphetamine (see

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An active dose is 5mg - enough to make someone alert. 10mg will produce mild euphoria.

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I read 0.2 grams in 3 ml water by injection. This corresponds to 200 mg injected.

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There are many different recipes for conversion which can be found on the internet.

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Can someone please fix the spacing on the page, there's a large gap, clean 'er up.

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There has been a good deal of attention in the media to the "gay meth epidemic"

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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either, but the severe psychological addiction more than makes up for it. --

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don't remember where I read this though, so I can't give you any references.

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Reanal and hepatic failure are listed. Are there studies to support this?

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would assume it would be reserved for special forces (like Navy Seals)--

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And my answer was reasonable. I hope you find what you're looking for.

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I can't find any sources for this info so I'm removing the sentence. —

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And don't forget that Methadrine is a brand name, not a chemical name!

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increased productivity in the field. It might be worth mentioning. --

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Not to mention whatever else is found in street methamphetamine.

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Recreational use, by its very definition, is recreational use.--

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I removed the line about deviated septum for two reasons. One,

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addictive. Add a reference for this (if there even is one).

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It's possible that it's a myth, but I'll try to find out.

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was a source for more than just the pseudoephedrine.

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