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Hello - thanks for asking! I added a paragraph that I hope elucidates the issue - basically, the rocks (Carboniferous
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I've accepted your wording & agree this explains the council & local groups positions better, however I think it is better in history as the govt & politics section is really about who controls what. Don'tapologise for the suggestions I think they are improving the article.—
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water level. The application of standard deep-sea diving techniques (bottom walking) produced the discovery of the Sixth and
Seventh Chambers in 1935. Using then modern diving equipmenmt, the Eighth and Ninth Chambers were entered by swimming in 1947 and 1948 respectively."
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I've removed seconds from the location coordinates but the issues on age of rocks is a bit beyond my knowledge - the 200mya figure is from
Barrington, Nicholas; Stanton, William (1977). Mendip: The Complete Caves and a View of the Hills. Cheddar: Cheddar Valley Press.
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