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Stadium Negara but rather mentions the stadium is owned by the same state-owned corporation as is building Merdeka 118, that some people thought Stadium Negara was being torn down to build Merdeka 118, and that one of the people involved has the name Negara or something. SO HOW IS THE BUILDING'S NAME INSPIRED BY STADIUM NEGARA?
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Sources finder as you are. As i said, Reliable sources won't help it out as someone might pissed of which one is real. You told yourself that find a reliable. Fact the Tower Info has good enough reliable. Please don't make an argue anymore. Cause you have experiance than i
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In the intro, the article says the building's name "is inspired by" its proximity to two stadiums: Merdeka (which makes sense, it's the same name) and Negara. This is not elaborated on. As far as I can tell, "Negara" is not in the building's FULL name. The article on
Stadium Negara makes no mention
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Sir, I been there like 10x visit their website and nothing changing there. Reliable sources is not only about CTBUH Or what. It's about to find the good and reliable evidence that they can find. what if in future that
Readers especially malaysians who will read PNB 118 Height on wikipedia then they
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CTBUH height of PNB 118 has not changed because they don't have reliable evidence from their members that it has changed. It is about the most reliable source and CTBUH is it until it is proved otherwise. Have you read the links I asked you to? Here's another one that relates specifically to your
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can be ignored just in case 'someone might be pissed off'. If you think Tower Info is a reliable source provide that source here (I couldn't find the website in a quick look in google) and we can then discuss whether it is reliable or not. If you are not interested in having the sources you have
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Generally I would agree with you to just focus on a high quality image, even though it might be a little older. But on an active construction site - the mall at the foot of the skyscraper is far from being completed - it might be better to regularly update the info picture. Just my opinion.
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It's not like that, We're done ok. You win. We don't need to discuss again when CTBUH or whenever you like to trust. I just doing my job ok. Whenever people have update some good news i do it again. I don't want to face argue again. So i will leave someone to update some news. Thank
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will check on other website offcials (more than 20 i guess) that it was 666 meter. the tower info was also Good
Realible sources. please be tolerate about this ok. i am trying to help you too. i not against you or what but please be tolerate on others ok. (continue from 60.50.23.96)
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According to an article from the New Straits Times (NST), the current height remains unreleased. Several schematics of the skyscraper suggests a height between 678 to 721 metres. It was also reported in the article that the height is believed to be closer to 700 metres.
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I noticed some errors on the height of the observatory, I changed the height to the previous version because the height of the roof of the building is 516.9 meters not 482! (some sources say the height of the observatory is 516 meters). Please don't undo my changes
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The image has already been changed. But if you want to upload an image into an infobox or anywhere else on Knowledge, you first need to upload it onto Wikimedia Commons. More info is available on the site itself. PS that was my image of the building :)
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If you keep In deniel on this. No one will listen to you. Im just a ametur guy who knows outside. What if Readers says wikipedian can't be trusted CBTUH and Keep spinning around. Again i am not against you. Just trying to reliase which can be
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Yes, I suggest we move the page to Merdeka 118 instead of PNB 118. Just checking with others, is it fine to do so?
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