Talk:Mulatto/Archive 1

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for "protection" whereas 20 million mestizos can. Why? Because they are an economic powerhouse and there is power in numbers - don't forget that Mexico has almost 90 million mestizos. What do muleattos have to offer exactly? Whenever they start yapping it's always about not wanting to be "black" then it stops there. Muleattos are a fraction of the black population which is a fraction of the US population. If ALL American muleattos got together, they wouldn't make up more than 4 million people (that's a generous estimation). Simply wanting the government to protect you cause you want to be seen seperate from "blacks" doesn't cut it. Going around making sure people don't slander the muleatto 'race' doesn't cut it either. Minority groups have to fight for their slice of the American pie. If you can get millions and millions of muleattos to back you, and march with you and hold protests with you and so forth, then you're game. You don't get your own 'race' simply because everything looks good on paper, you have to get your hands dirty. What do muleattos have to offer save for a few models and actors?

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have our own identity whether you like it or not. Rather ask yourself why do you insist on trying to claim us. Looks like you're the ones with the problem. Obviously groups who are already numerically powerful don't need the same protection as groups who aren't, including protection from forced assimilation. According to your argumentation which seems to be in line with the right of the strongest rather than with justice blacks wouldn't need any protection because they don't contribute as much to the economy as Whites or other minority groups do. Don't worry about mulattoes though. Our numbers are growing anyway. Models and actors? I'd rather not comment much on that kind of ignorance. A certain minority group would never be where they are today if it wasn't for mulattoes. Btw not that it matters but 90 Million Mexicans? Maybe but not in the US labor force. Estimates vary between 5 and 10 million including the large number of illigal immigrants. Not all Mexicans are mestizos btw. and they identify by national origin first and foremost rather than by race.

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solution may be for you to put the suggested links on the talk page, the RfC folks who have no potential conflict of interest on this can have a quick look to see if links add to encyclopedic value. I agree that additional images 'may' be useful; however, given copyright limitations this does depend on people 'donating' the appropriate images. I say 'may' in quotes because how does one provide an image and say 'this is a mulatto, and this isn't' - gets into eugenics & the 'science' of race and all that - the only images of that nature that I recall which had 'scientific' foundation come from Germany in the '30's - and that's probably a "bad" idea. (& could everyone please sign - just makes it easier to see where one post finishes & the next takes over - just type four tildes (~) thanks.

2629:) Just exactly what does 'Jewish' ancestry mean? Now mix that with a little 'American'... what race is that? How could I tell if I have 'American' blood? Same thing with 'African'... is it being asserted as a plausible fact that all 'Africans' are of the same race? and again, mix that up with a bit of 'American'... What exactly is the origin of the American race??? So, just for Ben Harper we have a person who is born of parents that are in the first case 1/2 of one race, (which is described by what I thought was a religion) and half of another race (which described by what I thought was a a reference to two continents, or at best a country) and then in the second case, the other parent was half someone-from-somewhere-on-the-continent-of-Africa, and someone-from-somewhere-on-one-of-two-continents. 2965:

those individuals. But, I think really any minority group in the United States be it Asian, Hispanic, African American, will try to delineate an ethnic boundary and enforce it by either trying to add members or exclude members; and I'm sure in this process some people will feel smitten and will harbor feelings of resentment. This is a continuous process of which the dymanics are complex. Not to say that all all people who are "mixed" are African American or that all African Americans are "mixed", but being that African Americans have endured mixing in their bloodline over hundreds of years, especially in regard to White blood, the notion that "mixed"(however this is qualified) and African American are mutually exclusive terms is ludicrous.

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nobody ever pretended that there was a universal mulatto culture just as there is not really any "white culture" or "black culture" as such. Anybody can be of any culture and there are no pure cultures. So far CreoleMe massdeleted large sections of well documented text as well as numerous links to sources and websites she obviously doesn't personally like. Her posts are full of attacks directed at Mulattoes. Among other things she calls Mulattoes "mules" although whatever the etymological origin of mulatto might be mule and mulatto are still two very distinct words with each having it's own meaning. This is usually done by people who buy into the racism of the One-Drop-Rule.

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feel uncomfortable with the word or idea because you feel it imposed on you? If so would you feel the same if it were fashionable to be mixed? If being a mullato somehow put people on a higher social strata I doubt there would be any complaints. I think this is one of the reasons some people appose mixing in the first place. People need to have a strong attachment to their culture and their people. If you're caught somewhere inbetween that can be a very difficult problem to face and lead to a difficulty in the person establishing their racial and cultural identity and identifying with others of the same. Thats just human nature. --

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Now, if your mixed and you marry someone black who is not consider mulatto whatsoever, then your offspring will be considered black in most cases... I guess the reality of it all is how far removed you are from the individual that was white or black in your family history. Aslo keep in mind that regardless of what you consider yourself, black or mulatto, in America you will most often be consider black regardless due to our culture. Rarely do you come across a black American that would consider themselves mulatto, regardless of whether they were mixed or not. Most will just say black. (

2576: 1650:"Caucasian" dark skinned Indians are considered Asian alongside "mongoloids" from China and "negritos" from Papua New Guinea. Yet, Asian and Eurasian are still considered valid terms. Just because Arabs managed to migrate to the north of Africa doesn't invalidate the term African or the term Eurafrican. I am technically a "mulatto" yet I and many of my biracial friends call ourselves Eurafricans. Like I said, you are free to call yourself "mulatto" but Eurafrican is still a valid and 100% legitimate term to describe people with black and white ancestry. 2419:

Arab blood)." Muwallad is derived from the root word WaLaD (Arabic spelling: waw, lam, dal). Walad means, "descendant, offspring, scion; child; son; boy; young animal, young one." Muwallad referred to the offspring of Arab men and foreign, non-Arab women. The term muwalladin is used in arabic up to this day to describe the children between Arab fathers and foreign mothers. According to Julio Izquierdo Labrado as well as Leopoldo Eguilaz y Yanguas and others as well as different arabian sources muwallad is the etymological origin of mulato.

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certain people of mixed ethnicity. However, in the same way Civil Rights era blacks dislike the terms Nigga and Negro (at last publicly) maybe it is similar in the mixed community? This concept could be a possible compromise added to the page. Because truthfully, I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota which has one of the larger percentages of mixed (black & white) people in the United States; and I am mixed, with many mixed friends. Nobody I know uses the term Eurasian and most everyone I know finds the term Mulatto offensive. -

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civilisations of ancient times, including those of Egypt, Carthage, Greece and Rome. These Mediterranean peoples were quite distinct from the peoples of northern Europe. Sergi also argued that the Mediterranean race was closely related to a Hamitic African population, which included such groups as the Tutsi. To Sergi the Semites were a branch of the Eurafricans who were closely related to the Mediterraneans (Gilette 2002). His concepts were later taken up by some African-Americans and fed into the development of Afrocentrism.

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we talk about Africans we are talking about black people not the Arabs in the north. Eurasian means one of European descent(white) and of Asian descent(chinese,japanese,korean). Eurafrican means one of European descent(white) and of African descent(black). Like I said, when one thinks about Asia (in a racial sense) one doesn't think about Russia or Europe just as when one thinks about Africa (in a racial sense) he doesn't think about Arabs - blacks come to mind. Arabs migrated to Africa but Africa is still a black continent.

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1750:"Africa isn't "generally understood" to mean black" <---- Haha, you're clearly bullshitting me and you know it. The Arabs in the north identify as muslims and the whites in the south identify as being of Dutch descent. It's not a matter of what you "consider" yourself. I could consider myself a cow, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm not a cow. Every black person is of African descent. Geographically, Arabs and white South Africans are "African" but NOT racially. You still haven't given me 262:'Protection' depends on where you are - in Canada, you are a visible minority if you say you are - i.e. for employment equity, if your skin is in your opinion non-white enough to cause you to get discriminated against, you can tick of the 'visible minority' box. So you can't say that mulattos have 'no protection' period - it needs to be specified if/that there are places where there is no protection or a particularly unusual/discriminatory quirk in the nature of protective/minority legislation. 708:

Snipes is black or that another person is white do you base yourself on an exact scientific foundation? Probably not. The eugenics movement was what invented the ODR back in the '30's. Akso Some people tend to forget that there are many MGM mulattoes who have mulatto parents, mulatto grandparents etc. Featuring only images of FGM mulatto children with monoracial parents only serves to reinforce the idea that mulattoes should constantly refer themselves back to monoracials.

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Spanish and Arabic sources (not the Spanish Knowledge page) are much more important than the two English dicitionaries you gave regardless of whether you personally understand Spanish or not, because other Englishspeakers do and are grateful for this information and many of those who don't speak Spanish are grateful for this information as well. Furthermore "mulo" has two meanings in Spanish. The second one being "a person characterized by strength and vigour".

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the term Mulatto and african-american, which is outright flawed. Mulatto is at its core about being of european and african ancestry, which is as different from european-americans as it is to african-americans. And the hobgoblin if you still do not catch the drift, African-americans and european-americans define themselves, which you can logically deduce from the name, as having mainly african or european ancestry. There you go, this is the natural end.--

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constantly take on new meanings. Many call themselves Mulatto because they relate better to it than to any other term. By the way anybody can come here and claim he is of a particular race in order to support a particular agenda. That doesn't necessarily mean he actually is of that race. We all know that One-Droppists fight against the term mulatto using those tired old mule arguments because the term mulatto empowers mulattoes which is what they fear.

31: 2560:'what i have to say, well my my mum is white and my father is african american and part venezualan, hes not a black venezualan, which is what they always wanted to write. his mum lived in alabama, they migrated to new york, he grew up in the bronx and later moved to harmlem. he grew up as a black man in america, and his father was part spanish. it's just a typical story of someone of colour in america everyone's a little mixed with something. 315:

easily see that the number of American Mulattoes is growing fast. Also unlike what you said the majority of blacks doesn't marry blacks. Actually the majority of blacks doesn't get married at all. The majority of all black children grows up in fatherless households. Maybe those are some of the reasons why CreoleMe comes on here whining, trying to force a black identity on mulattoes, but throwing insults won't change anything.

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according to you black people from New Guinea would be Africans. Europe is not Asia by the way. It's a different continent. Landmass or not. Northafrica however is still Africa. So is Southafrica. So this is not even comparable with your example. Also Asian doesn't necessarily mean "mongolian". Indians are Asians as well. In the Uk the term Asian is even more usually associated with people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

375:- when Puerto Rico became a commonwealth of the United States - Puerto Rico was an integral part of the Spanish Empire, and it still constitutes a cultural-geographic segment of Latin America, thus their history is a shared one with those from Hispanic America and Brazil." Well, duh! It seems like the article on Puerto Rico would be a better place to discuss how culturally and linguistically separate they are from the US. 923:

in a clear and unbaised fashion. Your POV of what a "mulatto" is is just that - a POV. It doesn't matter if you're "directly" a mulatto or an African-American mulatto, the definition is someone with black and white ancestry. If you want to exclude someone because they have too much white blood or too much black blood then I suggest you create a private internet group or forum and add/delete members as you please.

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own you and there's nothing you can do about it. Moreover, there is no mule race for the simple fact that you have no sustaining population and no central culture. Your marriage rate to whites is a whopping 70%. Whatever the rate of your "growth", it's being hindered by intermarriage to other races. Plus, the rate of black intermarriage to whites is negligable and a majority of blacks marry other blacks.

1953:. Also the second meaning of mulo in Spanish is "a person characterized by strength and vigour". However once a term takes on a new meaning most people no longer care about the etymological origin anyway. The only ones who do usually have an agenda. The term "kid" originally meant "young goat" but it took on a new meaning. The term "black" used for people was once very derrogatory. 2215:"Common knowledge" is something that is "generally known." It is not generally known what a "mulatto" is let alone what a "hispanic mulatto" is. Hell, there is no consensus on what an actually "hispanic" is or what one looks like. We can go back in forth in a "he said, she said" manner, but the bottomline is that you're assertion adds no encyclopedic value to the article. 1969:

misinformation for years in order to discourage mulattoes from using the term. They stubbornly insist that mulatto means mule when this is not the case because mulatto always meant mulatto in English and mule means mule. As for the etymological origin of the term for all we can say is that the etymological origin is uncertain with lots of eveidence also pointing towards

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1536. One was against a man named Alonso Garavito, mulato, for swearing; the second was against Maria de Espinosa, mulata, also for blasphemy. These cases are from Inquisition vol. 14 in the Archivo General de la Nacion, Mexico City. This term was probably first used in Iberia during the 15th c as the descendents of African slaves became a visible segment of society.

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Southafricans are African. Blacks who are culturally European still remain negroid and Caucasians who are culturally African still remain Caucasians. Mestizos are not called "EuroNatives" but Mestizos. One-Droppists are the ones who fight against the term Mulatto out of self-interest. You have already been vandalizing this Knowledge page for weeks.

2751:, a mulatto can never have blue eyes or green eyes. A quadroon or octoroon, yes. Not to digress, but I think as "Eurasian" becomes more popular, "Eurafrican" will, too. Why would it not? Unless members of the Eurafrican community actively try to suppress it because it stresses "African." "African" isn't such a bad word. Don't be scared. :-) 1961:

care about the origin of the word "mulatto." Also, you are naive to believe that the racial label "black" is not still "very derrogatory." Surely in many parts of Latin America "black" is actually an insult. In Africa, the "black" concept isn't even understood or well taken as people there mainly identify by tribe not color or "race."

2703:(sexist origin) or even the innocent "kid" (which at its roots meant young goat) . However neither of these words are used in any way shape or form to mean what their roots mean, and neither is mulatto. It's also important to note that the term "black" referring to people was once (and for some people still is) a derrogatory term. 220:

families. Also nobody thinks mulattoes are sterile. These pseudoarguments are usually brought up by those who want to erase mulatto identity, ursurpate it because they have self-esteem issues, claim mulatto history for themselves and perpetuate a racist eugenist rule, simply because they suffer from inferiority complexes. Sad.

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term mulatto. That's why you spend so much energy fighting against it, when you simply shouldn't care how other people call themselves. You're afraid of the term because many mulattoes feel empowered by this particular term; and - although you will never admit it- mulattoes being empowered scares the hell out of you!

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Afrikaaners are African. A Black person might be of Subsahaarian African descent but this might also be so long ago that this person no longer considers himself to be of African descent. Same for White. Also darker Indians and Australian Aborigines are even claimed as black by some people and they're not African.

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Newer studies have started to reject the notion that race doesn't exist biologically. Also many merely reject the idea of race for political reasons regardless of what science says. On the other hand minorities themselves increasingly want race to be recognised because race accounts for medical differences.

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assuming. That is fine I have no problems with that. But there are of course different terms to describe black and white ancestry. For those who find "mulatto" offensive I have opened a door to the term Eurafrican - but you certainly don't have to adopt that term for yourself - but others may want to.

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To be honest there is no real substance to any of the article other than it provides a definition of an actual mulato and what it may look like. Considering African Americans are indeed mixed, the extent of which is debatable, I think there really is no ground for you are me to "deny" someone with

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Another etymology which can also be found in some dictionaries and scholarly works traces its origins to the Arabic term muwallad, which means "a person of mixed ancestry". Muwallad literally means, "born, begotten, produced, generated; brought up, raised; born and raised among Arabs (but not of pure

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No, the majority of people from Latin America are not Mestizo.Your just a one-sided Mestizo who thinks he knows Latin America. Brazil, Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, Colombia, all have mulatto majorities or at least a significant number of mulattoes. Brazil has the largest population of

1973:. Also you've been trying to twist my arguments for quite a while now. My point wasn't whether black is still derrogatory or not but rather that it is used by Blacks despite the derrogatory origin. By the way any term can be an insult.If you say "Jew" the wrong way it will be perceived as an insult. 1868:

Which is not the issue here at all. Again you're trying to distract from the point being made that Caucasian Northafricans are African as well and that many Blacks whose ancestors left Africa a long time ago no longer consider themselves African but Black only. That's why terms like African, European

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The problem is this discussion is a battle of semantics. Mullato is a very generalizing and subjective term. Its kind of like the term "latino" in that its not exactly cut and dry as to what constitutes a person to be a latino, or a mullato. I think the bigger problem is we're all trying to avoid the

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Religion has nothing to do with it. Many black Africans are muslims as well. Again my or your definition of black or white isn't the issue here. The issue is that Caucasian Northafricans, Caucasian and other non-black Southafricans are Africans as well. If you want to talk about race then you'll have

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Caucasian NorthAfricans are Africans. White SouthAfricans are Africans. Africans can be of any race. Some of them even speak a language called afrikaans. "Eurafrican" and "EuroNatives" are not used. Mulatto and Mestizo are the terms used. As for Eurasian one inadequate term in use doesn't justify the

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Hapa is more used than Eurasian. However this has got nothing to do with Mulattoes. The fact is you'll be hardpressed to find anybody who calls himself "Eurafrican". On the other hand there are many Mulattoes who call themselves Mulatto. Many mulattoes reject terms that seperate them into two halves

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Hmmm... that might be tough. It may well be a copyright violation. Do you know where the pic came from? For example, if you had taken it yourself, or you knew it was in the public domain, it could stay. But if there is some photographer out there who took and sold the picture, then we are in vioation

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CreoleMe keeps vandalising the article by deleting large chunks and replacing them with her point of view, a point of view which is not only incoherent but has already been refuted again and again. She seems to throw in large sections of text which have already proven to be irrelevant simply in order

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Here from RfC. A few things occur to me as I read the article. 1) It isn't very well-focussed, nor does it really conform to WP standards of style, whatever people think about the content. It has always been my understanding that the word Mulatto is offensive in any context, but I wouldn't know if it

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Thank you for concern on the issue, and I do support myself, your steadfast faction. Indeed this "edit war" is absolutely unecessary and completely "immature." Yes I will admit that, however, as I have been willing to allow Creoleme to post his link, he has not done the same with me. In my attempt to

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Folks, please cut this out -- edit warring doesn't help anybody, and it hurts the integrity of this Wiki. I've therefore protected the article to let everybody cool down. Please explain your reasons for including/excluding various sites in your edits. Since I am not an expert on this issue, please

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This off-topic paragraph highlights the need to have separate sections discussing the separate histories of the two places: "Nevertheless, independent of their actual numbers, the history of the population of Puerto Rican mulattos is independent from those of the US. Prior to the Spanish-American War

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Yet still the last time I checked one out of ten black men married a white woman and more and more black women are doing the same. (with so many black men in prison and on drugs they hardly have any other choice) Add those black men who have children with white women without being married and you can

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Heh, heh. You sound like a little baby, man. What, pray, will you do to blacks if they don't stop calling you black? Whine some more? You can't do shit. They will continue to call you black - hell whites will, too. You don't have your own identity or you wouldn't be on here whining. Blacks and whites

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The fact of the matter is for any group to have "protection" it must offer some sort of economic incentive - it must show that it can add substantially to the economy. For example, there are some 300 million people in the US. A group of, say, 30,000 muleattos simply can't go to the government and ask

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You see the difference is that those other minorities are protected and mulattoes aren't (at least so far). Nobody said mulattoes were special but we want equal protection and recognition as a group and minority. Hostile, comments like yours, in addition to being full of strawmen arguments only serve

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There is tension within the Black community regarding discrimination in favor of light-skinned Black people. This is a legitimate topic to be recognized. This article is an appropriate place to recognize this issue, and to recognize the literature, scholarly and first-hand memoir literature on this

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because we would hope that you would actually READ the article, African-Americans can be light-skinned, but they may have black parents and mostly (or sometimes all) black heritage, mulattoes have immediate Black\White Heritage and also, although they can reject and"pretend" to be only black or only

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A note on the dating of mulatto (mulato) in Spanish sources: the Real Academia's date of 1549 is most likely a reference to the first use of mulato in Spanish literature. The term mulato was used in offical documentation before that time. A quick example would be two Inquisition cases from Mexico in

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Race exists as a social construct. Also while some scientists argue against the existence of race, others don't. Newer studies seem to point more towards the existence of race than previous ones. However some people simply reject race for political reasons. There is a lot of anti-race bullying also.

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You present specultaion as facts and you also deleted a poster's comment on the discussion page. It's locked in the history of this page. This violates the rules of Knowledge. By the way identifying as mulatto and being a "nationalist" is completely different. Resorting to false accusations is not a

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In this context mulato would have been derived DIRECTLY from muwallad and NOT through muladi, a term which applied to Spanish christians who had converted to islam during the arab domination of Spain. Rather do the two words share the analogous etymology of muwallad. The arab origin of mulatto would

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The term of art used in the scholarly community is "people of color" or "people of mixed ancestry"or some such. The term "mulatto" specifically refers to people of more or less half African and half European ancestry (at least in the French Caribbean which is what I study). Maybe there should just

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trying to tell mulattoes how they should or shouldn't call themselves. First you started throwing insults, then you started vandalising the article. I'm not trying to tell you how you should call yourself because I'm not the least bit interested in it. Also on the internet anybody can claim to be of

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The etymological origin of a term is irrelevant in the sense that it is different from it's actual meaning. In the Enlish language mulatto and mule have ALWAYS been two very distinct words, each having a meaning of it's own. Also the English word mulatto being a word of Arabic and Spanish origin the

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Everything is contested one way or the other. "Irrelavant" to what? I just gave you two English sources that state "mulatto" is indeed derived from mule. Being that we are using English Knowledge, I would not understand your Spanish sources. There is a Spanish Knowledge for Spanish speakers to edit:

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Even though Russia is part of Asia, "white" Russians are not the same as "mongolian" Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese. "Asian" is generally understood to mean China, Korea, and Japan, and yes, even India. In that same light, Africa is generally understood to mean the black indigenous people there. Yes

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Why are the Arabs "African"? Is it because they are geographically in Africa? Well, take a look at a world map. If you want to be literal, Asia includes Europe and Russia and the Middle East, yet Asian doesn't mean "Russian" or "Norwegian" it generally means people from China, Japan, and Korea. When

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There have been multiple aggressive and hostile attacks here, by people representing multiple viewpoints. It's a sad fact of WP, but to edit here, we have to share articles with people whose viewpoints we despise and who attack us. Trust me, I know. The only way to work (without driving you and them

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The point I tried to make was that despite your claim: "We have our own identity whether you like it or not" - your personal identity is shaky and weak at best and being biracial myself I certainly will not be forced under a "muleatto" label. Interestingly, your house of cards easily comes down when

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The content of the article was already there before you started taking pieces of it way ultimately deleting the whole section and replacing it with your new biased material. If you want you can add your own section but don't delete what's already there. You were already warned about removing content

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CreoleMe, most of your statements are simply pathetic. Trying to force a black identity on others, deliberately stating false facts, making false assumptions and inappropriate, unsustained generalizations about mulattoes, and now telling us how we should call ourselves. Truth is you're afraid of the

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wiki pages. It's painful just looking at it. One reason for this is mules total ignorance to their African side. The Eurasian page lucidly mentions different Asian countries in conjunction to different European countries. The Mestizo page mentions different American countries in conjunction to Spain

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That's what I'm saying - that's why I'm not sure pics are a wonderful idea - could easily become perceived as a 'this is what mulattos looks like' freakshow. & where do we draw line on Mulatto? my perception was 'close to 50/50'; if we impose the ODR and let that count as mulatto, I could put my

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Well, i think the issue comes in with the afro-venezuelans (i.e. Mariah Carey's heritage. Afro-Venezuelans are Africans living in Venezuela, not of Spanish blood, but many of them have Spanish names due to slavery. Mariah has said that her father is "black" but that his family is from Venezuela, she

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CreoleMe, lol. Its interesting that i find this kind of resistence from creoles and their supporters. They are just as bad as the Black one droppists, white racists, and white liberal ODR supporters. You know what i think creoleme? I think youre afraid. You dont like the word mulatto, and so you are

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These two very aggressive and hostile statements proove exactly what I'm saying. Whenever a mulatto speaks up he's attacked. What you guys need to understand is that people are entitled to be recognized as what they are and as nothing else. You need to accept that mulattoes simply ARE NOT black. We

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Do you have a reference for that? Or is it simply your opinion? Anecdotally, I know many people with white parents who consider themselves African-American. And although the one drop rule certainly was true in the past, I can't think of any legislation in existence today that defines anyone with

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There are definitions, you choose yourself which one you identify yourself as, and there are definitions to help you along. A mulatto is defined by being of mainly mixed african and european ancestry. Now your entire post, The hobgoblin, i am afraid is some awkward try to, as Shakam, said interwine

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One criticism of the term is that it is said to ignore the high rate of racial intermixing in North America. Although most African Americans are predominantly of African ancestry (average of 17% European ancestry according to geneticist Marc Shriver), many African Americans are often even more than

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LOL at "Euroasian". The correct term is "Eurasian". I think you're scared to death of the term "Eurafrican". I think that is the mulatto or Eurafrican man's burden. On one hand, "European" and "Asian" or accepted terms. On the other, "African" is vilified. Someone said: ""Eurafrican" sounds sort of

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On a personal note, I am an American, generally reputed to be white, born in the south in 1960. My wife is African, and our children are thus of (more or less) half African and half European ancestry. If anybody called one of my kids a "mulatto" I'd be insulted on his or her behalf. I also lived

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It remains to be seen that "many" "hispanics" with black and white ancestry call themselves "mulatto." People from countries such as Cuba, Dominican Republic, or Puerto Rico identify nationalistically, for the most part. Yes, they may acknowledge their different ancestries such as European, African

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to promote a term which serves your personal agenda which is not the purpose of an encyclopedia. Anybody could come and use an encyclopedia to promote any term he personally prefers. For example people could come and promote terms like "Zambo" or "Nigger" (since some people refer to themselves like

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Contested by who? Well, the fact that we're here debating the origin of the word "mulatto" attests to the fact that people, maybe a few or maybe a lot, but definately more than one, do care about the origin of this word. And in the same respect, there are people, definately more than one, who don't

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Africa isn't "generally understood" to mean black and I'm sure most Caucasian Northafricans as well as Afrikaaners would contest that as well. Again if you want to talk about race then do so and don't use misleading euphemisms. Also as I said before many black people in the Americas or Europe don't

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In a racial context it's black and white. Terms like African and European are misleading. Caucasian Africans are African as well. Some Blacks don't want to be considered African-Americans but black only saying they're not African. Yet their child with a Caucasian person would still be Mulatto. Also

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We can agree to disagree, of course. But, it can be noted that terms such as "negroid" and "caucasoid" are used seldom in the scientific community to describe "race." Race in itself doesn't exist. In fact, such terms are being used less and less in the scientific community because they are outdated

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You were the first one to alter the text CreoleMe. For lack of sound arguments you just throw endless refuted text passages in that people won't be able to understand and follow in order to create confusion. You spend so much energy on fighting against the term mulatto when you simply couldn't care

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Knowledge is an encyclopedia not some exclusive ethnic enclave. As it were, articles are to remain as objective as possible. It would be ludicrous to institute a "blood quantum" on an encyclopedia page. This is not a "mulatto group." Information here is for eduational purposes and must be presented

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I propose that we only include induviduals in the "Famous Mulatos" mix who have a quarter or more mixed blood for the simple fact and argument that a considerable amount (enough to be looked at)of African-American's contain some sort of European blood in their veins. For instance, Michael Jordan's

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65.129.161.46 , First, get it through yor head that thousands of people in the united states identify with the word 'mulatto' this can be seen from user groups online, and myspace pages. Second , if you are mixed race black + white and feel that this term is offensive, that doesn't mean you can go

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Mulattoes are an oppressed minority in many places. Therefore there is an obvious imbalance of power, when it comes to academic and media influence. However embracing dominant ideologies, which were invented to serve the interests of more numerical powerful groups at the expense of mulattoes is not

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So out of all the groups in the world that are being oppressed or descriminated against, people are suppose to see 'muleattos' as special and just drop 'anti-muleatto' propaganda? Damn Jews, damn Whites, damn Blacks, damn Asians, damn muleattos - wait a second, they're muleattos, they don't want us

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Okay, let's keep in mind that some African Americans are mulattos. In some cases you have an individual who is mixed with black and white hence making them mulatto. In most cases, the only way to continue considering yourself a mulatto is if you were born of parents who were both mixed themselves.

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biracials want to have their cake and eat it, too. They wanted to be accepted by Whites, but at the same time want their African or Black part down played as much as possible. Interestingly, instituting a sort of rule by which even someone of a mulatto parent and a White parent is still a mulatto:

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Mulatos, the plural form occurs for the first time in a document dated 1560 by Francisco Cervantes de Salazar also alongside mestizos. The etymological origin of the term as given by many dictionaries is from the Spanish word mulo. However dictionaries who mention mulo as etymology for mulato also

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Someone mentioned that 70.48.42.9 was an IP used by CreoleMe. If this is the case, it would suggest that CreoleMe is located in Ottawa. So maybe mulatto is still seen as an offensive word in Canada (and possibly the rest of the English speaking world - I personally wouldn't use it in Aus), but not

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Mestizos don't cease being mestizos because indians are discriminatied against. Identity is much more than that. It's actually very discriminating towards mulattos or mestizos to reduce their identities to agendas which suit others. Also Amerindians are discriminated against by black organizations

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No, the majority of people from Latin America are not Mestizo.Your just a one-sided person who thinks he knows Latin America. Brazil, Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, Colombia, all have mulatto majorities or at least a significant number of mulattoes. Brazil has the largest population of

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It may appear legitimate to you but it's hardly used and especially not in relation to mulattoes. As an encyclopedia Knowledge explains terms which are used but is not a place to promote terms which aren't in order to support a personal agenda. This however is what you're trying to do after having

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It's contested by numerous sources and scholars. The fact that we're here "debating" the word mulatto in such a repetetive and ridiculous way attests mainly to the fact that people who have an agenda (usually One-Droppists) don't respect mulattoes right to identify as such and have spread a lot of

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SOME people find "mulatto" offensive because they're very illinformed. Mulatto doesn't mean mule. Mule and Mulatto are two very distinct words in the English language, each having a meaning of it's own. Also "mulo" as etymological origin is not only very contested but also irrelevant because words

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In practice, yes "Africans" can be of any "race." Just as "Asians" or "Europeans" can be of any race. You can relocate black people to China and have them procreate for years but that still doesn't make them "Asian" or "Chinese" - they're still black or of African descent. Like I said, in a racial

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Like I said, you are entitled to add more information or create your own section, but you cannot delete a passage that doesn't fit your point of view and replace it with another passage that does. You think "muleatto" derived from muwallad? Fine. Create a new section. Don't delete the section that

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Unfortunately everything can be classified based divergences. Sometimes it is more difficult, because those differences can be gradients rather than clear cut, and even more difficult for the person or people who get classified as something they aren't comfortable with. Would it be safe to say you

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I'm sorry, but your opinion of whether the word is "obsolete" or not shouldn't matter to the article. If you'd like to add a section regarding the fact that some people find it offensive, that is fine, but mass-deleting people off the list because you find it passe isn't appropriate. And I think

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Oh no, you think way too far. Scientific foundation? Mulattoes can simply be distinguished in the same way and according to he same criteria that blacks, whites, asians, eurasians or others are constantntly and often unconsciously distinguished from each other. For example when you say that Wesley

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Also it would be good to see either more mulatto visual representations than that one painting or a more representative mulatto image (for example of a mulatto family, rather than what visually appears to be two monoracials with a young mulatto son). If there's just going to be one visual image on

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mulatto.org has not edited out explicitly mixed. In fact we have a link to them on our message board. I don't know who keeps editing out mulatto.org, but I assume that's traceable here. It seems weird that mulatto.org was edited out shortly before the page was locked, thus freezing out our mulatto

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Many of the recent edits are taking a strong point of view that the term mulatto is somehow better than other words uses to describe the same sort of person, and are also displaying political rather than sociological views about racial integration. I don't want to do a massive revert, though, b/c

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Also, are you to tell me that somehow a Nigerian Italian has the same culture as an Ethiopian German? That as soon as they are born they are automatically part of a mule culture? The best shot mules have is in nationalism; namely, proclaiming themselves proud to be Puerto Rican or Dominican and so

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You don't see muladi until 1855. And the usage is of converts to Islam, not mixed people. muladí. (Del ár. hisp. muwalladín, pl. de *muwállad, y este del ár. clás. muwallad, engendrado de madre no árabe). 1. adj. Se dice del cristiano español que, durante la dominación de los árabes en España,

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Quote:The actual numbers of Mestizo and Mulatto Hispanics isn't the issue here. The point is that many Hispanic mulattoes call themselves such. Blacks make up a very small percentage in Latinamerica. Mulatto Hispanics are much more numerous than black Hispanics. Mulattoes also outnumber Whites in

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The usage of a term (in this case by Hispanics) relates very much to an article about said term. Also it's pretty obvious that you want to suppress information. You not only suppressed the information that Hispanics use the term mulatto but you also tried to suppress sources and information about

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The burden is on you because you're trying to contest something which is common knowledge. "Frogs like to call themselves yellow" is not common knowledge but that many Hispanic mulattoes refer to themselves as such is. Above you've already tried to build an argument on false premises after you've

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That's your opinion - that it's "hardly used." I, however, am of the opinion that it is a valid and legitimate term that can be used as an alternative to "mulatto." I am of black and white ancestry. Who are you to tell me I can't call myself Eurafrican? I embrace this term wholeheartedly. You can

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Black is a very generalizing and subjective term, so is White. Latino is different. It's the only term that is not racial. Black and White both contain racial elements however you try to twist it. By the way it was me not CreoleMe who pointed out that talking about culture when you really want to

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The term might appear legitimate to you but not to many others for the reasons I already mentionned. Many mulattoes reject it and find it offensive to be devided into two halves. Hardly anybody calls themselves "Eurafrican". Also as I said before Caucasian Northafricans are African as well. White

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You are the one totally dismissing geography and race because you refuse to acknowlege that Caucasian Northafricans are Africans and Caucasian Southafricans are Africans. After having vandalized the article for weeks you're trying to use Knowledge to promote a term which is hardly used by anybody

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We have this is what whites looks like, what blacks look like, what asians look like or similar freakshows everywhere. However nobody suggested that here. People only suggested to put an all mulatto family in here in addition to the usual monoracials with FGM mulatto child family, just respecting

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explains; if someone else feels 'your' site/biography etc is worthy of Wiki, this is good. If you are putting your own stuff up, this is generally considered bad form, as we all tend to assess our own notability etc. a little higher than perhaps is valid - human nature and all that. One possible

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posting occured within ethical and genuine premises. I saw no way around it, and now I do. Through legal, and mature proceeds with you Nlu and any other neutral editors; indeed I am very much willing and happy to convene. Thank You Nlu, and thank you for your time. I stand at my position to allow

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This is a serious topic for discussion. Why is the site shut down from editing? As long as race has significance and endures as a label, there must be a word for people that are neither white nor black, that is a mix of the two. Simply recognizing a word for mixed people is not to disparage the

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Realistically speaking, humans are visual and I'm loath to believe that African Americans torment White people with distant African ancestry as is implied by your "dropping rule". Of course if someone has substantial, visible African ancestry, or more than one drop, then I think we could discuss

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It seems like someone translated poorly from another language perhaps? "Being part of their time,". Both "mulattoes" and "mulattos" used for the plural(I know that both spellings are ok, but only one form should be used throughout an article). Various other minor punctuation mistakes. And the

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Funny that you talk about "encyclopedic value" when you've been vandalizing and throwing insults for weeks. It's indeed generally known to many. If you want to contest that you'll have to prove it. By the way there is no concensus either what a white person is or what he looks like. This however

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The actual numbers of Mestizo and Mulatto Hispanics isn't the issue here. The point is that many Hispanic mulattoes call themselves such. Blacks make up a very small percentage in Latinamerica. Mulatto Hispanics are much more numerous than black Hispanics. Mulattoes also outnumber Whites in some

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We can agree to disagree but Caucasian Northafricans are still Africans. White Southafricans are still Africans. Race exists as a social construct. As for the biological existence or non-existence of race this is in reality contested in the scientific community, each side having it's arguments.

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This being said the ethymological origin of the term 'mulato' is unimportant since it is not identical with actual meaning. Words change their actual meaning with time, independently from their ethymological origin. Many commonly used words actually had 'negative' ethymological origins. (slavic,

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How many mullatos really identify themselves with being white rather than black? The one drop-rule was also widely accepted by black people as well. A mullato was thus considered a black person, which explains why there is such a preponderence of African Americans with white ancestors. Somewhere

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The paragraph in question mentions that the term mulato may ignore the fact that Blacks in the United States may have a lot of admixture. If this fact is irrelevant to the article, then abruptly introducing talk of dropping "rules" in the "United States and Puerto Rico" section is irrelevant.

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I strongly agree with Shakam, as he says, mulatto is at its core as different to african-american as it is to european-american. Mulatto is traditionally viewed as being of african and european ancestry, that is a clearcut definition. It is in as stark constrast to African-american, as it is to

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It was also used by 20th century Italian anthropologist Giuseppe Sergi who considered Mediterraneans part of a "Eurafrican Race", related to some Africans and racially superior to Nordics. According to Sergi the Mediterranean race, the "greatest race of the world", was responsible for the great

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Well, it looks as if objectivity is precisely what CreoleMe is trying to prevent by massdeleting from the article. She spends an enormous amount of time and energy telling other people how they should call themselves or see themselves. She also makes a number of strawman arguments. For example

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To me when I see the word Mulatto it basically to me feels like the word Nigger or Negro. Both were names to given to people of African descent by White racists. Putting it in that perpective, I can see why flipping Mulatto in the way Nigger has been flipped (ie. Nigga) could be empowering to

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Also, black "culture" in the US is a subculture at best. Black Americans are Americans. They are BASPs.(Black Anglo Saxon Protestants) That's the main ingredient of their cultural tradition. The rest was taken away from them during slavery. The notion of "African-Americans" as an "ethnic group"

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Where did I tell ANYONE how he or she should "identify"? Provide links. I provided an alternative term for "mulatto" which is Eurafrican. I don't know if you have black and white ancestry, but I do and I describe myself as Eurafrican. Respect my identification. You call yourself "mulatto" I am

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User CreoleMe deletes everything he dislikes including useful sources and links. He tries to deliberately mislead people by making is seem as if "muwallad" as etymological origin of mulatto would depend on "muladi" which is not the case. This is confirmed by the numerous sources cited which he

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Many countries as well as some places within the US have sustaining mulatto populations. In the US mulatto communities were partly torn apart after the 1930s due to the racist law known as the one-drop-rule. Nevertheless many mulattoes still marry each other up to this day, further proove that

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Hey, xpark - ubangi boy - you're black. Now, how will you stop me from calling you black? You, you gonna cry a little bit for me? Maybe bitch a little here and there on different msg boards? Blacks can do whatever the fuck they want to mules. What is your plan of action? Are you going to start

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African-Americans may have some admixture but they are still mostly sub-saharan African. People identify the way they do because that is how most of society tries to label them. It is up to the individual to think for him/herself and not listen to ignorance. (and I'm just here helping them)

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I myself am indifferent to these "drop" rules or whatever they are called. But I honestly don't see how someone half-Black can be "one dropped" when being 50% Black you sure as damn hell have more than "one drop" of Black blood. At the very least a "mulatto" or a half-Black can be "a thousand

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I still remains to be see seen that Hispanic Mulattoes and Hispanic Mestizos want to acknowledge their different ancestries seperatly or that this would even be possible given their high level of intermixture. One-Droppists may dislike this but a considerable number of Hispanic Mulattoes call

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This is contested and there are many sources to confirm this. All of whom you kept deleting for weeks and vandalized the article. Just one example among others: Leopoldo Eguilaz y Yanguas (1886): Glosario de las palabras españolas (castellanas, catalanas, gallegas, mallorquinas, protugueses,

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Eurafrican is hardly used by ANYBODY. Your own statement is invalid. You are trying to promote the term and Knowledge is not the place for it. A mulatto is of black/negroid and white/caucasian descent. European and African refer to geographic locations which can be inhabited by anybody. White

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Mules are actually more intelligent than both horses and donkeys but who cares where the word is derived from? (probably from muwallad anyway) Actual meaning and ethymological origin are far from the same. Fact is nobody thinks about mules or other animals when they see mulattoes and/or their

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The reason why this page may seem to have a pro-mulatto tinge is because mulattos are oppressed in real life and non-mulattos think they can speak for us, therefore lots of mulattos come here to try and set the record straight on how they feel about the word 'mulatto' and try and counter the

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Somewhat true, but trust me, mestizos are not the majority of Latin America. Countries like Peru and Guatemala have indigenous majorities. Mulatto Hispanics are probably twice as numerous than blacks. Still, there are many parts of Latin American nations where blacks are the majority.Relaxx

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This is not splitting hairs but a very important distinction. A blend is very different from two halves next to each other, like in a black leg next to a white leg. A blend cannot be seperated out into it's components anymore like two halves next to each other can. This is also exactly what

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You wish. I did not violate any rules. I posted under a second paragraph. The agenda is factualism. If you were truly exploring possibilities you would not ignore the facts that diverge from your claims, nor edit those problem issues out of the article. The mulato nationalism agenda is

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Many Mulattoes find "Eurafrican" offensive because it devides them into two halves. Fact is mulatto doesn't mean mule and "Eurafrican" is hardly ever used. Knowledge is about terms that are actually used and not the place to promote terms which are not used in order to support a personal

1088:. Basing your identity solely on race is erroneous. You imply that there is a central mule culture that all mules automatically belong to - which is not the case. This is why for many EurAfricans a nationalistic identity overrides a pan-mule identity. Consequently, white and especially 1537:

Exactly. If you want to talk about race then do so by saying black and white. No need to hypocritically use euphemisms like "European" and "African" which used alone are misleading. Blacks don't own Africa. You are trying to deny Caucasian Northafricans their countries and identities.

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No you misunderstand me, what I am saying is that if you want to include Michael Jordan who according to the article is "10 %" white then include others who have 10% of something else in there bllodline that meets the definition of mulatto. No need to be aggressive and offensive.

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A friend of mine who posted on here too told me about this CREOLEME guy. CreoleMe is surely a Vandalizer and posts links and sites and material HE ONLY prefers. Admin's please watch this guy, he is causing problem's that are unecessary. I am glad someone posted this notification.

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1. As far as I can tell, "Bluropean" is not a real word. Frankly, "Eurafrican" sounds sort of contrived and ugly to me as well, but at least you can find that in dictionaries. I intend to revert "Bluropean" on sight unless someone can make a good case for its inclusion here.

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RE:Somewhat true, but trust me, mestizos are not the majority of Latin America. Countries like Peru and Guatemala have indigenous majorities. Mulatto Hispanics are probably twice as numerous than blacks. Still, there are many parts of Latin American nations where blacks are the

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offensive to some). Also, the Muwallad section is way too long. It could be its own article, perhaps, but it doesn't help this article to go on at length about a minor point of etymology. Finally, the tone of the whole article is argumentative, that needs to be toned way down.

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Yawn ... Someone wake me up when it's over! Poor muleattos, nothing but oppression for us. Why won't the world drop what it's doing and pay attention to our plight - the plight of muleattos! Oh dear! .... no really, we are oppressed! Guess I'll take a number and wait in line.

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Oprah had her DNA checked to confirm if she was descendant from a specific tribe in Africa, Maasai. She was not. But DNA confirmed she had no European ancestors or of any caucasian mixed race. All her ancestors came from the Western region of Africa with Sahara-Indi mixed.

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To JereKrischel: There is no reference to give for what a person must identify with, but if you have a white parent and a black parent, you are most definately not African-American, but Mulatto. It's people's opinions and ignorance that tell Mulattos to identify as black.

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However most importantly the etymological origin of the term is irrelevant. Mule and Mulatto are two very distinct words in the English language, each having a meaning of it's own. Mulatto doesn't mean mule. Words change their meaning independently from their etymological

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not be surprising given the importance of Arabic at a time when Latin was rejected in favour of Arabic. Arabic is the seventh on the list of languages that has contributed to the the English vocabulary. Islamic Moors also traveled over to the New World with the Spaniards.

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I couldn't really say. Honestly, I doubt it. I think someone has posted those model shots and either got permission to use them or is violating copyright themselves. But I'm sure there are public domain pics of people who fit this subject out there... good luck on that.

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this word is racist as dirt. It's an old, archaic, and outdated word that hasn't been used to identify people in the United States since slavery days. Furthermore, noboby in the United States is dumb enough to identify someone else in the United States as a Mulatto!!!

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Anyway that particular concept has a wiki page of its own. In fact, substance is lost because instead of talking about the mulatos culture or habits in the United States and Puerto Rico it seems as if it's only finger pointing to conjure up feelings of sympathy.

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Eurafrican is hardly "used" by who? That's an invalid statement. If you are Black you are of African descent; if you are White you are of European descent; and if you're a "mulatto" then you're of Eurafrican descent or you're a Eurafrican - "mulatto"/Eurafrican.

2675:"Eurafrican" has very negative historical connotations and is hardly used. If people want to call themselves "Bluropean" they are free to do so. "Blasian" couldn't be found in dictionaries when it was invented and maybe it still can't be found in dictionaries. 2229:

It's still of no encyclopedic value in and of itself. "Mulatto" is defined in the first line. If you want to get into how "hispanics" identify and how that relates to "mulattos" create an "Hispanic" section in the article and right a few paragraphs about it.

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For some reason, I left this article on my watchlist. I see that there is an edit war on it. I am interested in the term, but I don't have any specific opinion about who is right or wrong here. That said, you folks really need to stop this edit-war and talk

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issue of race and make this about a cultural phenomenon. That simply doesnt work as CreoleMe has pointed out, because culture is a subjective construct, but race is something that is defined by heredity, which is what this article is about to begin with. --

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Another strawman argument, another false accusation. I'm not ashamed of ANY of my ancestry. Do YOU think I should? Also, since I already know what I am I don't need any advice on that especially not from people who spend their time vandalizing Wiki pages.

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This has nothing to do with an indentity crisis or making myself a victim, or anything personal of that sort. I am a strong advocate of personal responsibility. However, when it comes to CLASSIFICATION, I definitely feel that it is a issue to be discuss.

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One-Droppists would like to do with Mulattoes and which is why they try so hard to discourage Mulattoes to use the term. Interesting also how you now suddenly no longer know what black and white means when you used these terms yourself many times before.

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of the law if we allow it stay on WP without paying him (which we of course won't). But if you can't show that the pic is in the public domain or that you took it and are releasing it, it'll probably be deleted, I fear. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.

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pic up (1/64 Moorish) and I'm blondehair/blue eyed north european looking... Curious that ODR type stuff counts for shutting people out - when it's for getting positive benefits, it tends to be the other way around, as in native staus cards in canada...

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Of course one might also ask is a white person with 10% black ancestry black or white. Or is a black person with 10% white ancestry black or white. In real life however just like blacks and whites mulattoes also recognize their kind when they meet them.

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be a definition here with a little comment on how the term is thought pejorative in modern context and refer the reader to the entry "free people of color" (which I just got done expanding a bit) for a fuller discussion of their role in slave society.

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I disagree. Eurafricans do indeed exist. If one with Asian and European ancestry is called Eurasian, then one with African and European ancestry can be called Eurafrican. You can still call yourself "mulatto", but Eurafrican is a legitimate term also.

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Exactly. Words change their meaning with time and etymological origin and actual meaning are not the same. Who cares about etymological origins. In English mulatto has always meant mulatto and the "mule" propaganda only makes one-droppists feel good.

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by partheth - Hobgoblin your entire arguing seems to have an undercurrent that states ´- mulattos should not be allowed to state their race, because you feel it somehow excludes african americans. This is utterly ludicrous and completely misguided.

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I mean is CreoleMe crazy? He just keeps deleting and deleting and replaces everything with his opinions. He also posts plagiarized passages of text. A google research under Liam Martin and muladi shows that he copied certain passages word for word.

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I feel a need to remind y'all that this is NOT an American Knowledge, it's an English language Knowledge aimed at ALL the English speaking people of the world. And the term African American is of no relevance whatsoever outside the United States.

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people generally are sometimes compared to animals. Mixed-race people and their families may find this insulting. It is also inaccurate as multiracial humans are not sterile. Since this was written the Racial purity article has been modified.

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berber etc.) "Black" when used for people used to be derrogatory but a lot of blacks choose to label themselves such. "Hapa" is said to be of derrogatory origin but a lot Hapas choose the term. Mulatto however has never been an offensive term.

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The reference to Slavs is also reversed. The term slav and slave are historically related. Individuals from eastern Europe were traded as slaves in the Mediterrainian world. The term slave, schiavo, esclavo, etc. derives from the root Slav.

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Seeing that you're totally dismissing geography and its implications to "race" you'd have to define "black" and "white" and "mulatto" to make an argument against me. Furthermore, I'm not promoting anything. I am giving the truth. "Mulatto"

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You used those terms many times before so one can conclude that you must have some definition of them. However neither mine nor your definition of black and white is the topic here. The topic is that Caucasian Northafricans are African as

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and Portugal. The mule page mentions: 1. the origin of "muleatto", 2. well, that's pretty much it. Perhaps muleattos should stop calling themselves mules and adopt their proper label: Eurafrican. It would be a step in the right direction.

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contact him about this it has been only until today that the like has occured; unfortunately. As a result the disparagement turned sour and causing his childish behaviors to pass down unto me, as a way to combat and ensure my freedom of

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Hispanics - A majority of hispanics are mestizos from Mexico or Chicanos. There are also considerable numbers of white hispanics. "Mulattos" and blacks make up a small percentage of the overall "hispanic" population. Prove me otherwise

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inclusion in the list when he has ten percent "white blood", many African American's can trace ten percent and more of there blood to white roots. As a matter of fact ther are a lot more people who are famous that are directly mulato.

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Eur‧af‧ri‧can /yʊˈræfrɪkən, yə-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. of mixed European and African descent. –noun 2. a person of European and African descent.

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I was mistaken. I thought the paragraph referred to present-day standards, simply because it is couched in the present tense. I didn't realize it was a historical rule, which should be quoted from rulings. Now I've googled

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more than 50% of non African ancestry membership into this ethnic group. I think it's plausable that there is atleast one African American living in the United States at this time with more "other" ancestry than African.

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Well, all I can say is, how would you respond if someone told you your opinions on this topic were worthless and to go edit another page? Would that make you more or less likely to edit in a friendly, constructive manner?

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Agree - the etymological debate, although interesting, does not help the article in any fashion. The article is also somewhat confusing - 50/50 'only' or 'some' deviation allowed - if so, how does a 75/25 person qualify?

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Many people with black and white ancestry may find "mulatto" offensive because of its meaning of mule. They may better relate to Eurafrican. Prove that most "mulattos" don't "accept" the term Eurafrican. I call myself

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Well, what is your definition of an African American? What is your definition of a "mulato"? African Americans are a "mixed" people, generally. But then again who isn't mixed, however we want to define "mixed".

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That's like saying Europeans are Asian which they technically are; Russians are also Asian; The Arabs in the Middle East are Asian, too. But racially they are White not "mongoloid". You're evading my question.

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That's what I'm talking about, bro. :-) - (Hey, after your replies put "~ ~ ~~" without the spaces and without the quotations to sign them so people know who left the reply without looking at the history log)

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Nobody is claiming certainties. We are analyzing the different possibilities. Those who claim that mulatto would have been derived from mule are the ones who claim to be certain because they have an agenda.

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This is a typical attempt at using a word that isn't even a true hmonym to give a feel good story to a word. Words change with time, and we should not compromise historical accuracy for feel good solutions.

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and find them offensive. Also European and African are not even correct because Northafrican and Southafrican Caucasians are African as well and Blacks who are culturally European still remain negroid/black.

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Mulattos define themselves as a mix of european and african, and thats the central trait, those are clearcut definitions. im sorry to say this but your argument was quite thin from the beginning hobgoblin--

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It is important to note that etymological origin and actual meaning are not identical. Many words of common usage can for example be traced to a 'negative' etymological origin. Among those are words like

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I totally agree with you but on here only one person has been attacking: CreoleMe. the fact that you refuse to recognize this despite all the evidence and even defend her looks very much like partiality.

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CreoleMe is a woman, who hates mulattos with a passion, even though she is one herself, since theres no such thing as eurafrican. Ironduke you seem like a pro, can you legit the image for me? Thanks.--

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Very weird phrase as is the term "mixed" itself. Who isn't "mixed"? In any case, how does one know if a grandparent or great grandparent was indeed "mixed" so that one qualifies as "mgm" or whatever?

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A blend is still different from two halves, one next to the other, like a black leg next to a white leg. Also this blend is not necessarily of "European" and "African" but always of black and white.

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By the way you modified this discussion page which is against the rules of Knowledge. You deleted a comment made by another user and modified another user's comment. I suppose you do have an agenda

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who commit symbolic genocide against indians by trying to claim native/black mixes and other brown people with indian ancestry for themselves in order to artificially increase their numbers. Pentb

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I say whoever this is, they should be banned. I'm mulatto and I already get discriminated against enough in the real world, and I can guess this is the same for many other mulattos out there.

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Yes some parts of Russia inhabited by Caucasians are in Asia - further proof that Asians aren't necessarily "mongolian" as you stated before. As for Tony Blair he isn't Asian but European.

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happily keeps deleting. I encourage everybody interested in actual information about the topic to read the non-vandalized version of the article as well as to compare the two versions here:

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The picture of neomie lenoir , it needs legitimising, it says it will be deleted soon because I cant show a copyright or something, I m not sure what to do. Can you make it not be deleted --

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a significant percentage multi-racial. I'm 1/64 black (and can prove it, but in no way look it) this says mariah carey 'maybe' and thereofre she's mulatto becasue she looks it. That's weird.

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is a page similar to this, in that it deals with people of mixed races. That page is very easy to read, and adds a lot of information. This page should be formatted similar to that page.

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or Asian are not racial terms as such even if you personally use them as euphemisms for black and white. American is not a racial term either although some people would still like it to be.

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context, African means black just as Asian means "mongolian." Even though Europe and "Asia" share the same land mass, you wouldn't call Prime Minister Tony Blair an Asian even though he

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with at least an attempt at neutral language, and see if we can get some neutral editors with some expertise into the picture. Let's try to talk, rather than to impose changes, OK? --

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Umm, African-American is not a synonym for mulatto, neither was it during the antebellum period. The sheer ignorance of many lead people to believe the two terms can be intertwined.

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Why not rename the article, light-skinned African-Americans? You can't take something from two different things and expect the outcome to be one or the other, this is simple logic.

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in Haiti for several years and study the history of Haiti and the term has some special resonance there. This is another argument for reducing the profile of this particular page.

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been removed but Eurafrican was added. Eurafrican is a legitimate term for people with black and white ancestry just as Eurasian is a legitimate term for "Asian" and white ancestry.

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And I'm not sure whats wrong with either of the proposed external links. Different politics perhaps, but perhaps that is exactly why they should either BOTH be there - or neither.

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Exactly.That definetly applies to those who want to keep us in bondage, tied to the One-Drop-Rule, a racist eugenist law of the 1930s. They do nothing but whine, whine and whine.

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Nobody cares what you are or how you call yourself, CreoleMe neither should you care what other people call themselves. The fact that you spend so much fighting against the term

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CreoleMe obviously came here with the intention to attack. Only AFTER her numerous agressive and hostile attacks was she directed to another page in a totally constructive way.

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Chueyjoo, I would have no trouble believing that some people are not offended by the term. However, a good, reputable, citation would be a good addition to support that claim.

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how come we don`t have a picture of a real mulatto insted of artwork that show a mulatto you can`t even see.look at euroasian page and they have a real euroasian peroson.

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You made an assertion. I could say frogs like to call themselves yellow, but I would have to prove that. The burden is on you not me. You prove a "positive" not a "negative."

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The passage about 'muladi' is irrelevant and was probably simply thrown in in order to create confusion. Mulatto was directly derived from 'MUWALLAD', not through 'muladi'.

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mgm means multi-generationaly-mixed, or something like that. it means that she doesn't have one black and one white parent, but maybe one of her parents or grandparents did.

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That's not a logical inconsistency. Being looked down upon and being part of an educated and wealthy elite is not contradictory. The same happened and happens to Jews.

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other recent edits are good. Please re-write the article to be more neutral. Also, it desperately needs better sources: the ones provided are barely allowable under

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The term "Eurafrican" is tied to colonialism. It was first used by Portuguese historians in the 19th century to underline Portugal's claim to her African colonies.

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The term "Eurafrican" is tied to colonialism. It was first used by Portuguese historians in the 19th century to underline Portugal's claim to her African colonies.

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deleting information on articles which others dont find offensive. Third, if you are not black + white then you need to SIT DOWN, you dont speak for us mulattos.--

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It is still phonetics. And if you make a claim one came from the other you have to show there is a progression from one to another. You have failed to show that.

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Nice Try. The usage of muwallad in the area does not predate it either. Furthermore, mu WA lad, does not show any progresion in pronounciation to Mu LA to either.

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Liberalpunt isn't just trying to add a link to what may be HIS site here,h he's edit-warring and linkspamming at a number of other articles. He's gone over 3RR at

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as possible origin of mulatto. However it's not of encyclopedic value to vandalize articles for weeks like you did and still do in order to suit personal agendas.

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Like I said, you can consider yourself whatever you want to but facts are facts and you can not undermine the truth of the matter. Arabs from the north of Africa

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revolve around mainly african or european, so in the event you define yourself as an african-american its because you consider yourself mainly african-american.

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3.Northafrican and Southafrican Caucasians are African as well, Blacks who are culturally European still remain black (meaning negroid as opposed to caucasian).

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Also, I propose that you keep both external links , what is the point of editing each others links out if they serve the same purpose of connnecting mulattos? --

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yIn reply to IronDuke, Mulatto is not offensive to those who indentify with the word just as the 'basters' of Namibia use their word without hesitation. See the

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RE:True, but Latin America's caste system is constantly overlooked. In Latin America white supremacy still exists and many people are discriminated against.

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Absolutely; if this is not of too much importance now, it certainly was very significant in the past (particularly with respect to interracial marriage). --

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Look up the definition of black on Knowledge or elsewhere and choose the one you like. However don't try to impose it on mulattoes or anybody else. Thanks.

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is simply suspicious. Above you defended the One-Drop-Rule by stating mulattoes were black. You should stop vandalizing this article and throwing insults.

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because it suits your personal agenda. To do so you keep on repeating the same things over and over again. This ridiculous argument further attests to it.

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how other people call themselves. You already defended the One-Drop-Rule and stated that you thought mulattoes are black. That's where you're coming from.

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This information is relevant to the article. Some people are unaware that there are significant differences between a word's etymology and it's meaning.

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Chueyjoo, thanks for the compliment. I'm not quite sure what you mean, though. What picture, and what did you want done with it? Happy to help if I can.

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I didn't tell you how to "identify." Eurafrican is a legitimate term and because you "don't like it" is no reason to remove it. "Mulatto" is still up.

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Mulatto is the term which has always been used to describe the Black/White Mix just like Mestizo has always been used to describe the White/Native mix

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I think we all spend far too much time trying to label ourselves and other people. Call yourself whatever you like, dont expect other people to care.

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white people or the black people. It is simply recognizing the diverse backgrounds of people such as Mariah Carey or Barak Obama to use such a word.

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Source: eurafrican. Dictionary.com. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1), Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

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Source: eurafrican. Dictionary.com. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1), Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

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BTW, the section on Haiti in this page needs revision. I'd be happy to give it a stab if this page is going to remain as large as it presently is.

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Dont blame your identity crisis on Europeans. As long as you keep making yourself a victim nothing will change. Respect is earned not demanded. --

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2."Eurafricans" and "Euronatives" don't exist. The Caucasian/Black mix and the Caucasian/Native mix have always been called Mulatto and Mestizo.

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European-american. And i dont see you criticizing the article for not mentioning the fact that European-americans also are to an extent mixed.

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themselves Mulatto regardless of the emphasis they place on nationalitiy. One can be Cuban and still be mulatto. It's not one or the other.

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Many people are obviously unhappy with the term Eurafrican. I like mulatto but I suggest Bluropean as possible alternative for pc fanatics.

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mulatto Origin: Sp. & Pg. Mulato, masc, mulata, fem, of a mixed breed, fr. Mulo mule, L. Mulus. See Mule. Source: Websters dictionary

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logical inconsistency of claiming mulattos were looked down on and "used" but claiming they were part of the educated and wealthy elite.

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simply had to be created because it is the only thing that can be used in order to justify ongoing seperatism from mainstream society.

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Just like african-americans are mixed of course, so is european-americans, some to a larger extent than others, but take note now, the

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Black America's caste system is also constantly overlooked or downplayed in comments about Latin America. It's covered up by the odr.

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You didn't do that. You vandalised the article (now for several weeks). Also this was not the only information you tried to suppress.

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Arabs and Whites who live in Africa are "African", but certainly not "racially." African means a black person. Even though Russia is

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Wrong, it was still in usage until about 1920's when they wrongfully erased the catergory 'mulatto' out of existence with the ODR. --

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were offensive in South America. In any case, a citation would be needed to support that, I think (as well as the contention that it

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It doesn't need to match because mulatto is not derived from muladi but they simply might share the same etymological origin. Again

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There is no need for edit wars, all creoleme needs to do is create a eurafrican wiki page and leave this page to the real mulattos--

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some parts of Latinamerica. The fact that Mulattoes are outnumbered by Mestizos in other parts of Latinamerica doesn't change that

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any race. This doesn't mean it's true. I'm just pointing out that this term is not usually used in relation to mulattoes and that

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No matter how "distinct" the two words may have become, that doesn't change the fact that "mulatto" was derived from mule. Sorry.

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The new edits in response to my tag eliminate my concerns; therefore, I support the editor's decision to remove the NPOV tag. --

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This isn't my "one dropping rule", people just accept it as fact, as you do, without thinking for themselves about the matter.

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parts of Latinamerica. The fact that Mulattoes are outnumbered by Mestizos in other parts of Latinamerica doesn't change that.

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Also "Eurafrican" is hardly used. Knowledge explains terms which are used and is not the place to promote terms which aren't.

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use of another. Knowledge is not the place to promote terms which are not used. You've been vandalizing Knowledge for weeks.

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Somebody needs to add a picture. I suggest either Alicia keys, Neomie Lenoir or Derek Jeter. No its not a freak show, the

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valencianas y bascongadas), de orígen oriental (árabe, hebreo, malayo, persa y turco). Granada, La Lealtad, 1886. confirms

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That site looks like it's still under construction, it's well-funded, it's commercial, and it gives off "soft porn" vibes.

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Yes, but still it hasn't been shown that this was the case for mulatto since the ending -ato can have different meanings.

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No sources needed. I simply like the term Bluropean. It doesn't have the negative historical connotations of Eurafrican.

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I'm not even altogether certain which one of you is expressing which view. As I have said before, and will now emphasize:

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Suggest a ban for this self-hating, anti-mulatto terrorist guilty of vandalising all wiki pages using the word 'mulatto'.

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mulattoes identity the same way other identities are respected without been given the irrational guilt trip, that's all.

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for mulattoes. By the way this page is about the term mulatto, other terms have their own pages. Also don't forget that

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User CreoleMe keeps on vandalizing. For an objective opinion compare vandalized and non-vandalized versions for yourself

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vandalized the article for weeks trying to supress any information that doesn't suit your "mulatto means mule" agenda.

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Continent - One of the principal land masses of the earth, usually regarded as including 1. Africa, 2. Antarctica, 3.

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the same as being neutral. Also it's usually the anti-mulatto propaganda which is political rather than sociological.

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The "one-drop rule" eh. I had to move this here. Anyone want to defend "the one-drop rule" as something that exists?

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There is no "proof" that the term "mulatto" is "generally used." But there are sources which state it is offensive.

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The one drop rule is in itself crazy. All of the people in the list are white, if we apply the rule in a fair way.

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Incorrect. It has been shown that the ending ato has existed not only in mulato, but in other animal forms as well

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firebombing them? Blacks have their own problems, the last thing on their minds is "justice" for mules. Hahahaha.

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mulattos in the strict sense of the term are 1/2 black. then quadroons are 1/4 black and octaroons are 1/8 black.

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dropped" (whatever it is that 'dropping' entails)..Hence, Make way for the "thousand(or so) droppists" .. LOL.

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Yes, Haiti for example. In Haiti, which is by definition part of Latin America blacks constitute the majority.

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You're evading. You know that as soon as you give me your definition for "black" and "white" I will CRUSH you.

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Muwallad had been used in Arabic long before the 16th century. The word came to Spain together with the Arabs.

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The suffix -ato can have several different meanings in Spanish. That's the only fact. The rest is speculation.

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Like I said then make a contribution to the article. Make a section talking about "hispanics" and "mulattos."

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Hardly anybody calls himself "Eurafrican" or "You're African" but a lot of Mulattoes like the term Mulatto.

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no one is dumb enough to call themselves a mulatto!!!!! There are major reasons why this word is obsolete.

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First of all if you feel that way, then why is there even a Mulatto wiki if Mulattos are African-American?

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I dont think it was taken by a professional, I think its in the 'public domain', do you think so too? --

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consider themselves African but Black only because their ancestors left Africa a long, long time ago.

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Which is highly contested. Mulatto might well have been derived from the Arabic term for mixed-race

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Jesus. Can anyone actually say 'hexadecaroon' out loud without laughing? . . . toonbat@yahoo.com

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only problem is the timeline of usage doesn't match this hypothesis nor does the pronounciation.

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open a space for an alternative term to be used, whether you like it or not - that of EurAfrican.

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It's prove. And it is not an assumption. It is a fact. It has been used to refer to the animal

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Mulattoes don't have a black leg and a white leg, a black arm and a white arm. They are blended.

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Does anyone else see this as vague, impossible to be accurate, and fundamentally flawed (see:

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Then don't care. That's all we're asking for. Don't care how others choose to call themselves.

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community's link but not the others. At the very least, please reinclude our link. Thanks.

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Of course not, muwallad is an Arabic term not a Spanish one. Concerning your second point

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Where the hell have the links gone? Why are there so many people vadalising this page? --

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That you interpret my call for civility and compromise as partiality is... depressing.

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Nobody needs to drop what they're doing. Just drop the ODR and anti-mulatto propaganda.

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person of European and African descent: somebody of both European and African descent

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person of European and African descent: somebody of both European and African descent

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both my link(s) and Creoleme; I just wish Creoleme would. All the best gentlemen.

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issue. There are also sensitive films on the issue, such as 'Imitation of Life.'

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regardless of their actual label they still see themselves as a distinct group.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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yes, she did. but i didn't know this until yesterday, so i'm not blaming you.

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I agree with Zora. Liberalpunt's spamlink should be immediately removed. --

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Proposal to divide "United States and Puerto Rico" into two separate sections

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50% European in ancestry. 30% of European Americans also have black ancestry

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Prove that a "considerable" number of hispanics call themselves "mulattos."

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They are "Africans." But they are not black. Racially, African means black.

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to use black and white if you're afraid of the terms negroid and caucasian.

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Don't be ashamed of your African ancestry. Eurafrican parallels Eurasian.

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white, they are still by definition mulatto because of they're mixture...

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Concerning your "kids"... the term "kid" originally meant "young goat".

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Awkward stuff. Almost like a reverse one-drop-rule. To me, mulatto means

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the page, it would be nice for it to be more representative of mulattos.

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to pick on them. Haha. Unbelievable! What the hell makes you so special?

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You're starting to split hairs. How do you define "black" and "white"?

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and everyone else crazy) is to be polite and compromise when possible.

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The list of mulattos is drastically uninformative and unencyclopedic:

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a creole wannabe. All mulattos are creoles anyway, so why be scared?

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express doubt about the suffix -ato whose origin is obscure to them.

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African descent outside of Africa. Colombia has the third largest.

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refutes this. Knowledge rules state that articles must be objective.

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By the way in Portuguese mulado is still sometimes used for mulatto.

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Since this is an encyclopedia, where is your source for "Bluropean"?

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African descent outside of Africa. Colombia has the third largest.

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that) and present them as if they have been adopted by many people.

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Is the following offensive?"The following which was written in the

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Colin Luther Powell 65th United States Secretary American Mulatto

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still call yourself a "mulatto" I have not denied you that, but I

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technically Asian. Arabs migrated to Africa and so did Europeans.

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I am biracial, myself. Half-Nigerian, Half-American-mutt. A proud

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anti-mulattos who began to attack this article/delete links etc.

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ok, i've found this: quintroons/hexadecaroons are 1/16th black.

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abrazaba el islamismo y vivía entre los musulmanes. U. t. c. s.

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It's not used. That's not an opinion. Also don't twist things.

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You took your assumtion for a fact and then tried to proove it

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violations. Please calm down and then discuss your arguments

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To Hobgoblin: What? I don't understand maybe I'm retarded.

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4.Many Mulattoes fully embrace and cherish the term Mulatto.

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around 80% have a white ancestor in their family tree. --

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1.How mulattoes call themselves is independent from how

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page has 2 pictures, our page should have pictures to.--

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The mule wikipage is pitiful and dreary compared to the

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Shall we discuss this first? Or should I make changes?

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Blended of black and white, European and African, yes.

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Light skinned blacks are also mixedrace mulatto MGM.

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Light skinned black or Light skinned African american

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i dont think mulatto is spainsh i think its Italian

2471:Second. Mu wa LLAD has no Mu lAH toh sound to it. 1925: 1616:(a term more used than Eurasian) call themselves. 2067:http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/eurafrican.html 1724:http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-continent-map.htm 1402:http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/eurafrican.html 299:There, there - your tears of anguish sustain me. 1545:Your definition of "black" and "white", please. 2747:correctly they'd be a quadroon, octoroon, etc. 2223:doesn't stop most people from using the term. 1092:have more power over "mules" than you let on. 2603:when editing resumes. (Sorry for butting in) 1462:It is a known fact that "mulatto" is tied to 1430:many people choose to call themselves mulatto 1371:Note: This was posted by previous vandalizer 8: 1913:as etymological origin of the term mulatto. 1733:Asia, Asian doesn't mean a "white" Russian. 1608:"Eurafricans" and "EuroNatives" don't exist. 1590:No valid sources provided for "Bluropean." 840:I can't speak for other country, but in the 205:article on Knowledge shows how mulattos and 2915:Allow me,Partheth, to enter this discussion 1424:This is no proof that the term is actually 2321:in a calm, non-personally-attacking manner 2289:and Native, but "race" isn't prioritized. 2168:and Native, but "race" isn't prioritized. 2209:been vandalizing this article for weeks. 792:Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. She worked at Sony. 2437:you're trying to contest a false premise 2426:mu LAH to. Mu la DIH. Does not match. 2373:+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 980:Mulatto, a term CHOSEN by many Mulattoes 93:Light-skinned/ color-consciousness issue 80:Serious, legitimate topic for discussion 2553: 2053:Eur·af·ri·can (plural Eur·af·ri·cans) 1600:No sources needed. I simply said that 1388:Eur·af·ri·can (plural Eur·af·ri·cans) 798:No. We are not talking about movies.-- 111:In the United States, because of the " 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 2345:Muwalladi as feel good pseudo history 7: 3030:This post is in reply to Hobgoblin 2654:Many errors in the Haitian section 1214:I have no opinion on this dispute. 24: 1354:Inappropriate content deleted. -- 256:to demonstrate this even further. 2742:contrived and ugly to me..." 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