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I took out the section but did a couple of things with the text. First I put it in where it would be needed to make clear what were meant by big ugly dishes. Then I realized chronological would work better even if big ugly dishes are off topic. I will do some further research because I think big ugly
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And we have opened up a whole new can of worms. None of the services referred to in the source as "OVDs" has a consistent definition that even allows a redirect. I don't like the idea of creating a stub article for this topic. I always worry about getting deleted. I chose one topic to redirect to
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has rearranged my work in the process of copy-editing. It looks so much better, but if big dishes are not MVPDs, what this person did maybe shouldn't have been done. And if I find a way to move it later, I now have to attribute this person too. But right now, this is the only full history of
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