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independent. Therefore, EOTF is not a consideration for the signal itself. The signal is agnostic with regard to transfer characteristic. This is where it becomes clear that you do not understand the role of color bars in the video signal chain. 3. Not being device- or display-dependent, how your galaxy device displays them is irrelevant. 4. There is no standardized test signal for sRGB and if there were, it wouldn't be relevant to this article. You can ignore these points and continue to argue to the contrary, but by so doing you continue to reveal that you are in over your head in this discussion. Again, no offense intended.
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1481:"SMPTE color bars are a standard for video, not for computer graphics." Yes, but Apple for example does everything correctly by color managing the transfer and primaries as everyone is supposed to. My main display supports BT.1886 too in HW. "signal is agnostic with regard to transfer characteristic." No, it is not. The signal is supposed to use BT.1886. "There is no standardized test signal for sRGB" There is none, but we are forced to use sRGB in CSS. Were it PNG image we could have tagged it as gAMA chunk 2.4 but we cannot.
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too? What about BT.2111 PQ and HLG values (suddenly they remembered HDR has too different of a transfer, wow)? What about the correction for BT.2020 primaries they also did a mistake about? We cannot put it all here, can we? All the links to all of those public though and in the article!
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I only know my way around ffmpeg, but do not know how to create a proper image with correct color science. It should have a HDR version as well as a SDR version. HDR version may use avif with BT.2020 primaries and PQ transfer.
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