Talk:Somerset Levels

1228:"The discovery at Shapwick of 9,238 silver Roman coins, known as the Shapwick Hoard was the second largest ever found from the Roman Empire. A number of Saxon charters document the incorporation of areas of moor in estates, with several towns, villages and hill forts being built on the natural "islands" of slightly raised land, including Brent Knoll, Glastonbury. In 1685 the Battle of Sedgemoor was fought in the Bussex area of Westonzoyland at the conclusion of the Monmouth Rebellion." This extract demonstrates what I think is a general weakness in several parts of the article, the lack of any coherent thread linking a sequence of sentences together. Fact 1, fact 2, fact 3 ...". 2401:(or use local knowledge) then you'll know that the A378 runs roughly east/west along a ridge that defines the southern edge of the levels. Anything south of that can't be on the levels - unless I'm completely misunderstanding the boundaries of the area. The levels are huge and run from the southern ridge of the western end of the Mendips (i.e. South of Brean, Bleadon, Shute Shelve, Axbridge, Cheddar etc), are bisected east/west by the ridge that the A39 runs along from Ashcott to Bridgwater, and are then defined at their southern end by the previously mentioned ridge that the A378 runs along. Am I wrong? -- 1766: 2167: 541: 21: 1668:, a book about the Boxgrove site, has a few pages on the cave. They give some details about the finds and then say that the best date for Westbury is 524,000 to 478,000 years before the present -- a round number of 500,000 is probably fine for this article. Page numbers for the reference are 121-123 and 131-132. The reason for the redating is complicated but comes down to a correlation between various dating schemes, primarily the 250: 229: 198: 2151: 1390:"In 2010 a project was started to reintroduce the Common Crane ...". "... including Bewick’s swan, Eurasian curlew, common redshank, skylark, common snipe, common teal, wigeon and whimbrel ...". I understand that the capitalisation of common names for species is a bit of a hodge-podge right now, with no clear guidance, but it's surely hard to justify capitalising "Common Crane" and not "common snipe". Or capitalising neither. 464: 439: 54: 2133: 2183: 1329:"The northern edge of the Levels approaches the southern slopes of the Mendip Hills with settlements such as Compton Bishop, Axbridge, Cheddar, Rodney Stoke, Westbury-sub-Mendip and Wookey travelling towards Wells." I'm not quite following this. Are these settlements in the Levels? "With" is hardly ever a good linking word in any event. What on Earth does "Wookey travelling towards Wells" mean? 1214:"The most recent major projects being the artificial Huntspill river which was constructed in the Second World War as a reservoir, though acting also as a drainage channel." Leaving aside that dreadful "being", shouldn't "river" be capitalised? More importantly though the Huntspill is one project, but the sentence starts off appearing to be about to list more than one ("major projects"). 365: 260: 635: 1791: 1917: 1971: 1845: 1989: 1881: 1773: 1899: 1953: 1935: 1863: 531: 1809: 1827: 355: 2115: 2097: 2043: 2025: 510: 334: 2007: 2079: 2061: 1621:

The lead image isn't very good. Unfortunately the levels only form the foreground of the picture and the other half is dominated by a ridge that is anything but level I had a quick look on WIkimedia commons and couldn't see anything immediate, but there has to be a better image somewhere that we can

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stretches of water. In the case of this article, it depends, in each sentence, on whether the term Levels means the area as a whole, or whether it is being used to describe a set of related areas. So, I think consistency is actually less important than having a text that does not jar the reader.

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I've added the battle to demonstrate how to use alternate icons - there's a few on Commons. Some of the complications in the Burnham-on-Sea area could be helped by using the white background like in the first version. Also, increasing the width may help - 400px is OK, but wider may work better. Too

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It would be good to come up with a list of locations - but the ones I removed were clearly (to me) not on the levels. Ilchester was listed - which I can only assume was a mistake as it is miles away from the levels. Wedmore sits on top of a big ridge, albeit a ridge surrounded by levels (so perhaps

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Some places "not on levels" have been removed. I think this issue relates to what the levels actually cover (with no formal definitions) but I had also tried to include some places which are mentioned in the article & some to give context. It could be argued Cheddar, Axbridge, Welss etc are not

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The article currently says "A Palaeolithic flint tool found in West Sedgemoor is the earliest indication of human presence in the area, dating from approximately 700,000 years ago." The site in question is the Westbury cave at Westbury-sub-Mendip; I don't have access to much in the way of sources,

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These villages & towns (controversial in the case of Cheddar & Axbridge) are on the lower slopes (? escarpment) of the Mendip Hills at the northern "edge" of the levels (remembering that water levels & river courses have changed over the centuries). Travelling towards = I've listed them

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Sorry I couldn't resist this (even if its non-PC), to distinguish it from a "picnic area for persons of the female gender" (Sedgemoorbirds rather than Liverbirds). Yes, its over linked. As MF begins to feel more comfortable with the prose, I'll help with sorting out unresolved questions/problems.

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Found it on the map. Its not tidal now, but in the 12th century the River Axe was navigable to Glastonbury - there are records. Williams (1970) mentions drainage of the Axe valley, 1770-1810, and there are footnotes about Enclosure Acts mentioning sluices, cuts and rhynes. I suspect your clyce is

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I have placed the GA nomination of this article on hold. The quality of the article is good, but the lead paragragh seems poor, whilst many many facts in the article seem to go unreferenced (even though in parts of the article the referencing seems ok), there is no referencing on the size of the

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I have tried labels left and right for these two & could reduce the font size for the label for Burnham-on-Sea, but I'm unable to move the inset map. If the map was to be larger in its presentation I would add the villages with between 1,000 & 15,000 population but I haven't included

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Thanks I've now added all settlements with population over 1,500 using the format which puts the label next to the spot to address reviewers concern. I've used the sizes for label & dot but think I might need to make the largest ones smaller. I had to move some labels left to avoid them

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said on the FAC "because the reader has to go back and forth between the caption and the map to understand the relative positions of the named places". Would moving the inset to bottom left be possible? Further ideas/edits welcome, but I would be happy to put this into the article soon.—

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What percentage of land is used for growing teazel? Unless it's a significant percentage I'm inclined to think it shouldn't be mentioned in the lead - it gives the impression it's more important than more usual arable crops. Also, with respect to teazel-growing, the article states that

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This is very helpful. The "on" of "Burnham-on-Sea" overlaps with the dot for Highbridge; could that perhaps be fixed by moving the inset image to the bottom left corner, moving the "Burnham-on-Sea" label to the left of the dot, and moving the "Highbridge" label to the right?

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The map to right is a start at a location map of the settlements. I'm not sure what villages you'd want to include - just repeat the location map~ for each of them. The base map is for Somerset as a whole, I can make one more tightly focused on the levels if preferred.

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I was just browsing maps and found Stoke Clyce, ST 457 487 on the Axe. I can't tell from the map if there is a structure here, but it too far inland to be tidal. This spelling does seem to provide online references to sluices, so this would seem to be an alternative

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Why is not possible for both constructions to be correct? As long as sentences, or even paragraphs, are internally consistent, surely there is no problem. We can look for other comparable examples of use in Knowledge articles, but of course these cannot be used as

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it talks about "Two inland seas projects have been considered, involving low-level water-holding catchment areas, one covering 4,000 sq m, at the cost of £23,000, and the other covering some 75,000 sq m." (Column 298WH) - does anyone think this is miles or meters?—

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we obviously wouldn't be having this discussion, but names ending in "s" seem to trigger some grammatical uncertainty in some people. Consistency is key of course though, and whichever choice is made some sentences will need to be rewritten to match the decision.

1301:"Bawdrip, which has a population of 498, Brent Knoll is a village at the foot of a hill (correctly referred to as the Knoll at Brent) with a height of 137 metres (450 ft) dominating the low surrounding landscape of the Somerset Levels." I can't make sense of that. 3043:

I suggest you try reading that article on the Broads, which says: "Although the terms Norfolk Broads and Suffolk Broads are used to identify specific areas within the two counties respectively, the whole area is frequently mistakenly referred to as the 'Norfolk

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Still on the lead, "The discovery at Shapwick of 9,238 silver Roman coins, known as the Shapwick Hoard was the second largest ever found from the Roman Empire." Shouldn't that be something like "in the Roman Empire", or "from the time of the Roman Empire"?

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Yes, I think that an article on Westbury cave could probably be written too. For this article I think all that's needed is to change the date, use the new source, and change the name from West Sedgemoor to Westbury.

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http://web.archive.org/web/20120310135710/http://www.somerset.gov.uk/irj/go/km/docs/CouncilDocuments/SCC/Documents/Environment/Minerals%20and%20waste/Mineral%20consultation%20papers/Peat%20Extraction%20Paper.pdf

3634: 4100: 1163:"It is thought that because of winter flooding humans in prehistory restricted their use of the levels to the summer ...". Sentences like that one always prompt the question "thought by whom?" Archaeologists? 4094: 4070: 4064: 3664: 3550: 1190:"The Levels were also the location of the Glastonbury Lake Village as well as two at Meare." I can't quite make sense of this. Why "also"? Two what at Meare? What has Meare to do with the Levels anyway? 4082: 3048:". So there are indeed two Broads. Anyway, I'm not going to waste any more of my time discussing this with you, as it's quite clear that whichever side I'd come down on you'd have argued for the other. 1468:

It's not immediately obvious what this has to do with the Levels; presumably Shapwick is a village in the Levels? Are there any others? Why aren't any centres of inhabitation discussed in the Geography

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Btw, I'm not sure of the point of some of those long lists of settlement, I'd just mention the ones with some significance - saying Westonzoyland is in the Levels isn't really that important IMO.--

823:. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. The local definition for a tidal sluice. It also appears in Devon, e.g. Clyse Honiton, Clyse Hydon, Clyse St George, Clyse St Lawrence & Clyse St Mary. 115: 4988:

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Thanks for your edits & comments. I'm trying to learn to develop cohereht threads, although I focus on fact 1, fact2 etc - I will try to work on this - but any help from others appreciated.

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I can see arguments on both sides here. Personally I prefer the plural. I don't think it matters all that much but I do think it is important that the article chooses one and sticks to it. --

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I'd say that the Somerset Levels are so named because there's more than one of them. Otherwise it would The Somerset Level. It's a plural noun - or at least started off as one. But then, the

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Thanks for the comments - I have reworded the lead & added references for various parts of the article including the area, Alfred the great & willow. Any further advice appreciated.—

3720: 1268:"... the plans were abandoned in June 2010". It's not clear what plans we're talking about here. The plan to have the area designated a World Herirage Site or to recreate the wetland fens? 3730: 1672:, in which Westbury is placed in OIS 13. I would also suggest referring to it as Westbury rather than West Sedgemoor -- the archaeological sources I've seen all refer to it as Westbury. 4108: 3988: 3981: 1128: 470: 444: 1404:...". Is it really likely, do you think, that anyone reading this article wouldn't know what a bird is? I have a general impression that there's a lot of overlinking in the article. 1131:. The rules about FT's have changed and we need to get one of the GAs included in the topic up to FA status or the whole FT will be demoted to a Good topic. Any ideas appreciated.— 3149:

The awkwardness of "The Levels occupies an area ..." is easily handled by recasting the sentence, such as in "The 160,000 acres occupied by the Levels corresponds broadly to ...".

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Let me quote from the opening few sentences of the South Downs article: "The South Downs is a range ... It is bounded ... it is characterised ... is relatively unpopulated ..."

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Thanks for this - I'm going to take the liberty of editing it here (as I've never tried anything like this before) and get peoples comments before putting it into the article.—

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Both. As the WHS designation would have entailed allowing large areas to return to fen state (and loose farmland + have major implications for transport etc infrastructure).

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The article should be consistent. "The Levels occupies an area..." would sound wrong to me, so if we go with "..occupy..." we should go with "...are...", in my view.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20110130040501/http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/our-green-energy/our-green-electricity/from-the-wind/wind-parks-gallery/black-ditch-somerset

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it does belong). Cheddar, Glastonbury and Wells are all on the edge of the levels but I can see why they might be listed. I guess some consensus would be nice. --

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Base map now shows approximate area of levels (its a bit closer in than the topographic map, as that one needs the surrounding hills, this doesn't). The map at

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Please update the article regarding summer floods, the article describes annual winter flooding but weather pattern this year led to a summer flood.

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But, I think the answer is probably to find forms of words that are both consistent and don't jar the reader - which should be perfectly possible.

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Done; I took out a couple of the other refs -- nothing wrong with them, but not really needed, I think. Put them back if you think they add value.

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Thanks - I've tried a few icons, reduced dot size & font for the largest, added a few villages etc. I've avoided the numbered labels as

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Rodw asked me to take a look at this article with an eye on a future FAC, so I'll post my thoughts here on each section as I go through it.

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implies there are several areas each named as the X Levels (and more technically some of the areas we know as the levels are "moors" - see

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etc which are mentioned in the article but wouldn't meet the population criteria & I'm not sure if we could use a different marker.—

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who has kindly made a variety of maps for wikipedia articles I've been involved with which show the topography of he area. These include

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http://web.archive.org/web/20090221125015/http://britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/pe_prb/j/jadeite_axe-head.aspx

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from the library & it talks about "clyses" (the local name for a sluice) (p72) therefore I will change this (& reference).—

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The Bronze Age should precede the Iron Age, though I know nothing of the local archaeology in the Levels. --10:36, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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on the levels but give context. I note the category has been removed from some of these articles, but I'm actually working from

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provides an alternate way to do the labelling - if you want to make the towns more prominent than the villages for instance.--

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Square miles seems huge, but at the same time in square metres the area looks tiny. There is some interesting context in

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I'd be happy for the change to be made but could you do it as you obviously have access to the source and I don't.—

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It is very difficult to effectively photograph flat ground going into the distance. The article does talk about the

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Ah, so two Norfolk broads, then. And a great suggestion. Thanks for clearing that up - there was me thinking I was

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I've seen both forms in various books etc. I've asked for help from a grammar expert (or his talk page stalkers).—

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OK strike Kingsbury, but perhaps we should be including other places included in the article but not on the map eg

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I can just about accept that Langport is on the edge of the levels, but not Kingsbury Episcopi. If you look at a

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I'd say that it was discovered during the excavation of wherever it was found, but it itself wasn't excavated.

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http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/Roman-invasion-marks-end-Peat-Moors-Centre/story-11775117-detail/story.html

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A useful comparison (... but is there only the one "down", then?) By the way, "The Broads are a network .."

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I suppose they are still the location, but the lake villages no longer exist - not sure how to word that.—

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I agree with Martin - I think both can be used. Take the analogy of the Broads. The Broads, as a whole,

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Having added some of the key sites and think a more "tightly focused" one would be really useful.—

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is correct. When a place name ends with an "s" it often seems to cause confusion; I see that the

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Perhaps, however though no longer harvested, most willows on the levels are currently pollarded.

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is another of the villages on the levels (which had other lake villages - but not so well known)

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for over two years and I am looking for ideas about what would be needed to get it to meet the

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I think it must be a local term for a dam or sluice gate but I can't find any sources for it.—

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This is quite a big article, so please feel free to help out with the prose yourself Pyrotec.

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Hi John a s, If you have appropriate sources you could always update the article yourself.—

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will take place from 8 to 28 August 2016. The idea is to create and improve articles about

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which already covers some of the Levels area - so I'm hopeful that this may be possible.—

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There's a good BBC News article which could provide a number of updates to this article.

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Reworded - it is one of several explanations for the name of the county - more detail at

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Everythingexmoor: "The Somerset Levels is the most important wetland area in the UK.. "

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but pay for view - this might be available via High Beam. This is another nice video:

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Reworded - trying to avoid it being too listy, but mentioning all significant villages

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Both forms are used in the article - which is preferable / used by reliable sources?

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Well a good portion of these are manmade. There is already a section on drainage -

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http://www.ramsar.org/cda/ramsar/display/main/main.jsp?zn=ramsar&cp=1-26-45-87

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What do you call it when you dig something (such as an axe head) out of the mud?—

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Then I'm afraid you've demonstrated yourself to be just as daft as Martin is.

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I've now put the map into the article. Thanks to everyone for contributions—

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I've removed a couple of unnecessary links but further help appreciated.—

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Clyses is the pural, the singular is Clyse. Williams, Michael (1970).

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A useful source for anyone who likes the odd DYK redlink challenge:

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I already suggested that, but nobody is listening, too many voices.

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and a major new section on settlements into the geography section.—

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I would be interested in collaborating. There is an example in the

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use, ideally something that shows the levels going of for miles. --

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The Somerset Levels and Moors are unique, timeless and tranquil...

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article, where detail may be more relevant than in this article.—

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I think coppicing is correct and the description perhaps unclear?

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I've put Somerset again, although this is in the first sentance.

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to exploit the reedswamps, much less continue exploiting them.

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rather than coppicing that is 'cutting back to the main stem'?

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Thanks for the follow up on this - More could be added to the

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