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I have great respect for both gentlemen, who have served India well in difficult times and deserve every accolade bestowed on them. I have had the great honor of meeting APJ Abdul Kalam while he was president, and he was every bit as impressive as all the stories told about him. The story narrated on
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In May 2007, Gohar Ayub Khan claimed that retired Indian Army Field
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In the section titled 'Post-independence'(link above), the fifth line reads "...capturing Domel and
Muzaffarabad. The following day, the ruler of the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir, Maharaja Hari Singh. On 25 October,..." The sentence does not make sense. Can someone fix it?
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