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Norashen" that is further up the Arpa river valley, exactly as shown on Ayvazian's map. Bash in a place-name context almost always means "upper" rather than "main". I don't know
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Do I need to show you the diffs of
Azerbaijani names being removed from articles about Zangezur, and many other locations in Armenia, despite third party opinions being that such names are relevant? I'm drafting my request, so please wait a few minutes and you can express your opinion there. It is
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With regard to names in other languages in the lead, I'm going to initiate a community discussion about this issue, because I think that locations in
Armenia must have names in Azerbaijani too. It does not work only one way. So please refrain from edit wars until the issue is fully resolved.
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Meowy don't you get GM's reasoning? Any person whose last name ends with "ian" or "yan" or who identifies himself as
Armenian is biased, and therefore unreliable. The Bunyadov-like excuses keep rolling into quash any mention of Armenians or Armenia in lands that are now part of
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Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary. Ayvazian is not a reliable source. Also, I'm not sure whether there was Norashen district. The district could have been created after it was renamed after Lenin.
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Bournoutian will do, where it writes, "The khanate of Erevan has fifteen mahals: Kirk-Bulagh, Zangi-basar, Garni-basar, Vedi-basar, Sharur..." (p. 325). So it looks like it was a part of the Yerevan, and not the Nakhichevan,
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uyezd from Brockhaus, says: Центр уезда — селение Башнорашен, в Шаруре. The center of uyezd is the village of Bashnorashen in Sharur. It is unlikely that Soviets moved the center of the region to a different place.
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