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Amritraj in 2010. That a top-ranked athlete (Amritraj won 16 international tennis titles between 1973 and 1988) appears in the film seems to me to be a cameo “worth mentioning”. It is ironic to me that previous contributors have removed references to Amritraj citing “unreliable” sources, namely Memory Alpha and IMDB. Yet both publishers are noted at the article’s close, presumably as ones the authors believed to have some credibility. Further, the names of several other cast members -- one uncredited -- appear in the article with no citations at all. One can only speculate about the biases of those who feel Amritraj’s name is unworthy of mention in this article.
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more literate than people are today. I think it'd be no problem at all for people to do a little research and then competently defend themselves. It'd be no harder than compiling a master's degree thesis at a modern university, and plenty of total idiots can manage that. Now, I'm not saying there wouldn't still be experts on law and even law specialists. But the current system, where the law as a system is closed to outsiders, where buying a lawyer's services isn't a free choice but is forced upon you, would definitely not be allowed to exist in the liberalized society depicted in Trek.
1816:"Layla said to the others that she had never engaged in this acting thing before and asked what she should do. They told her to act naturally. With the cameras rolling, Layla walked down the street into shot and soon came to the spot where Uhura and Chekov were unsuccessfully trying to find out from passing pedestrians where the nuclear wessels were. Most of the extras who were asked this question looked at the two like they were from another planet and carried on. Layla, however, answered them. Naturally." 31: 199:
sounds like a form of money to me! My guess is that it's possible that "credits" are a form of money issued to Federation citizens who are coming into contact with members of societies that still use money (like the Ferengi); they give the others the credits, which can be redeemed for certain set goods by the Federation itself. Ie., they're a government-backed security used for trade with less-developed societies.
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of set locations may be, they do not illustrate why it was recognized in this manner like a shot of the film does. I'd track down something myself, but this isn't my baby, so I'll leave the decision for the most informative shot to someone else. Remember guys, fair use isn't suffocatingly strict; we can justify an un-free image here or there (though the above suggested video is a bit excessive for the project).--
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lawyers to exist. After all, if you could understand the law yourself, why would you need a lawyer? It's the most brilliant, and obvious, scam in our society. The Federation, though, seems to me to be a society that would be pretty intolerant of large-scale scams. My guess is that the laws in the Federation are understood by the citizens, so no one needs lawyers. If accused, they defend themselves.
1138: 344:, it's just unlikely that it's Nimoy unless he's effecting a different voice. I just put on my DVD (I don't have closed captioning). Obviously it's not Spock, who in the very next scene is still on Vulcan, nor does it sound like Leonard Nimoy to me. Nimoy was directing, so maybe he decided to alter his voice and throw that line out. But I don't think it's him. 710:, he states that they did indeed use hidden cameras and that the woman was NOT an extra but that they loved her interaction with Nichols and Koenig so much that they later approached her to offer her payment for that scene's inclusion. Haven't seen the DVD interview you mention, but Nimoy's statement in the book directly contradicts what you assert. 1864: 697:
had made up herself and so it was decided to sign her up as an actor and keep her dialogue in. I think it is doubtful these scenes were filmed with hidden camera as they also state that the policeman on the motorbike was a real policeman assigned to facilitate the filming that day and that he was drafted in as an extra.
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more cites to support this. At any rate, to say that she was told not to speak and disobeyed her instructions would not seem consistent with the cite - surely she'd have said if she had done so. I've "been bold" and corrected it. I'll see if I can find out more and do say if anyone has more cites on this.
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I find all this fuss over the question of swearing more than a bit ridiculous. All that was said about swearing was that Spock noted that Kirk's use of "colorful metaphors" had INCREASED. It was never stated or even implied that there was no swearing in the future or that Kirk himself never swore.
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Actually, the animal is an ass- the male is a 'jack', the female is a 'jenny'. ("Donkey' is a relatively late invention and comes from 'dun', referring to the animal's color.) The anatomical word is unrelated to the animal; it's an American corruption of the British 'arse'. Terms like "you're an ass"
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in a Star Trek production? While Kirk and Spock are riding in Gillian Taylor's truck, she wants to know if they are with the military and if perhaps they want to teach aquatic mammals to "retrieve torpedoes or some dipshit stuff like that?" and Kirk replies, "No, ma'am, no dipshit." As far as I know,
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This part of the Trivia makes no sense. How many times during the original series did we hear "dammit" come out of Bones' mouth? I call that a swear. Swearing is clearly alive and well in the 23rd century. I'm thinking of deleting that paragraph from the trivia. (Even though the "double dumb ass
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Still needs to be sourced reliably. Whether you consider it obvious is not enough - but if (as you say) the comparison has been made thousands of times, then it shouldn't be hard to provide a more reliable source than IMDB - which is not considered realiable, and scifi movie page just says "reminded
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Both are reliable sources, so it's not a matter of who's "correct". I'm not seeing how they are necessarily contradictory. We simply don't know how much of it was written into the script (by Meyer) and how much Nimoy either contributed to during script development or during filming itself. Here's the
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The number of permutations of this myth makes it very difficult to figure out the truth. William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy recount a different version of this tale in the commentary on the DVD release. In their version, the woman was an extra who was determined to use this piece of dialogue which she
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The scenes in which Uhura and Chekov asked passersby (including a police officer) where the "nuclear wessels" were located were filmed via hidden camera. The passersby were not actors and were unaware that they were being filmed. It was intended that Chekov's Russian accent combined with the unusual
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The source says nothing about whether the other extras had been given instructions before she joined them. Therefore, to say that they had been given instructions is OR and I've removed the sentence you added. We summarize sources; we do not provide readers with "the most natural interpretation" or
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The Star Trek probe looks like the Rendezvous with Rama spacecraft, except for the sphere. The comparison has been made thousands of times over the years, even back when the film was new. Yes. lots of journalists and film reviewers have made the comparisons, not just forum posts on Star Trek fan
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I would like to echo these old sentiments on needing to work in at least one screenshot into the article. As anal as we can be about having as few non-free images as possible, I think it's important to remember that the film secured an Oscar nomination for best cinematography. And as great pictures
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Also, I've never heard anybody refer to Superman 3 as "the one with Richard Pryor in." It may just be me, it may be that he's slightly less of a celebrity in the UK, I don't know. And as you say, SineBot, given the number of Trek movies, it may be a good way to distinguish it from the bunch. Surely
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There is no dispute whatsoever about Mr. Amritraj's appearance in Star Trek IV. He is fully credited, and is quite recognizable in the film. I have today restored the information citing multiple credible sources, including the Press Trust of India and the Rolex Awards of Excellence, which honoured
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had any effect on conservation efforts or reduction in whaling? I think I once read that following the movie, hunting of humpbacks essentially stopped altogether. I'm not sure that could be correct the Knowledge article on humpback whales article says the ban has been in place since 1966, 20 years
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Is is absolutely necessary to provide a citation for an audio track? It is not likley printed anywhere that the composer reused or reworked parts of the animated Lord of the Rings soundtrack for use on this one, but it is evident when listened to. I'll post a couple of quick YouTube links here so
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I happen to be Finnish and can confirm that the whaler's DO speak Finnish. The whalers are deffenitely yelling "Mitä helvettiä!" (What the hell?) when the Bird of Pray turns off its cloaking device. Additionally when the harpoon hits the ship one of the men clearly says "Mitä hittoa tuo on?" (What
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Twice now I have posted up an item in the Trivia section talking about a particular scene. The scene in question is where the Klingon ambassador says, "Remember this well! There shall be no peace as long as Kirk lives!". As he storms out a voice, Leonard Nimoy, calls out "You pompous ass!" This is
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I suppose. I was mostly thinking of personal injury, contract law, corporate law, and divorce attorneys. I don't think that laws would be all that simple, after all contact with the various alien species, with complex societal, cultural, and legal differences differences from humanity, both inside
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for lawyers. The reason we need lawyers in our society is that the laws are deliberately made to be incomprehensible without specialized training (by using archaic forms of language, for instance). The only logical reason to make the laws incomprehensible to the public is to provide a reason for
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Regarding the trivia tidbit claiming that the people on the street in the "nuclear wessels" bit are actually random passersby in SF, and not actors: Though ST was not yet the cultural juggernaut it is in 2005, wouldn't Koenig and Nichols be recognized in their twentieth year as Chekov & Uhura?
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The most natural interpretation is surely that she joined the extras after they had been given the instructions not to speak to Checkov and Uhura, and so didn't get the instruction, and took her instruction to "act naturally" as including responding to questions. Perhaps we can see if we can find
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Well, this is a biggie -- lots of detail so I assume you'll be moving to FAC before long -- reckon it should do okay there. I haven't verified all references by any means but the sources look reliable, images appear to be correctly licensed, coverage is full and unbiased, and the prose is fine.
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Then since a citation is not likely to be found unless someone actually posts it, perhaps the line should simply be rephrased to something like "as the writer of the Lord of Rings (1978) soundtrack, the Star Trek IV soundtrack has many similarities to the previous work", or perhaps even something
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Well, yes, but if you were going to be involved in a case, all you would have to do would be to do some basic research on the applicable laws. The laws wouldn't be written in today's deliberately-incomprehensible lawyerese code, and it's already been demonstrated that Federation citizens are far
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I'm going to say it definitely had no effect on humpback whale conservation. By 1966 there were at best only a few thousand humpbacks worldwide out of a population that once numbered over 125,000. The moratorium on commercial whaling did come into effect in 1986, but that had more to do with the
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Not really a gaffe. Many Starfleet ships are named after battles, such as Saratoga and Yorktown (well, they're really named after famous warships, usually USN, but that's a detail). It's not out of the question that the Leningrad was named after the siege of the city during the second world war.
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right, because this only takes place a mere 300 years in the future, I can't imagine that they would ever make any changes to the US criminal justice system in a mere 3 centuries.. It's a movie! for all we know they don't enter pleas at all, and they're judged by flipping a tribble, heads you're
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The scene with Chekov and Uhura asking passerby where Alameda and the U.S. Enterprise were was completely unscripted, as was the young lady's clueless response, "Ooh, I don't think I know the answer to that one - I think it's in the bay, in Alameda." Crew had to chase her down after the shot was
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In the article, the scene where Spock uses the Vulcan nerve pinch on a punk rocker listening to obnoxiously loud music on a bus is attributed to Nicholas Meyer, from a scene supposedly cut from a previous film of his, Time After Time. But in the commentary for Star Trek IV, by Leonard Nimoy and
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Well, the question remains, what would anyone do anything for? For love of doing it, I suppose. The concept of a money-less society is a very complicated idea which I don't think the show's creators ever really thought much about. Especially since sometimes they mention "credits", which sure
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Well, the thing is, under SAG (Screen Actors' Guild) rules, anyone who speaks on camera has to be paid for their time as an actor. Anyone crossing in front of the camera was probably asked not to speak. The story goes that the brunette lady who tried to be "helpful" ("it's across the bay, in
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Um, just to point out, I think this needs to be removed. I distinctly remember both Kirk and Scotty calling Harry Mudd a jackass in "Mudd's Women". Who came up with this anyway? I say we either edit it to say that it is the first time the word is said in a movie or get rid of it altogether. -
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the heck is that?). Finally the guy on the crow's nest actually says "Siellä se puhaltaa!" which would literally translate as "There it/she blows!" which sounds rather ridiculous in Finnish, but the over-all pronounciation seems to indicate that the whaler's were not professional actors. -
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hovering (after decloaking) over the water in front of the whaling ship. Another possibility would be a shot of the crew walking down the streets of San Francisco, looking like a cadet review, as it would show what the cast looked like. What aspects of the cinematography were lauded?
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It wasn't. Those items which could be sourced or which were relevant were integrated with the rest of the article. Paragraphs are good. Furthermore, Knowledge is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and we're especially not a carbon copy of IMDb, nor Memory Alpha.
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The popularity of this film with the general public, the highest grossing Star Trek movie to date, prompted the decision to make a new spinoff series, which became Star Trek: The Next Generation. A teaser for Star Trek: The Next Generation was played before the film in some
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me of Rama" - which is not much better. Don't get me wrong, I agree that the two are similar, but I don't think it's worth mentioning - there are literally thousands of fictional space ships out there, so some are bound to look similar, whether intentionally or not.
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One basic problem with it is that at the time the Klingon ambassador says it, to the Federation leaders, Spock is on Vulcan being picked up by the rest of the crew, who are flying a Klingon vessel and heading back to earth. Maybe somebody yells it, but it's not Spock.
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And Superman 3 is "the one with Richard Pryor in it"... yet its just not apropiate or encyclopedic to place it here. Though when there are 10 or so Star Trek movies and numerous episodes, "the one with whales" seems to be a good way to recognize it from the bunch.
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Since much of the film takes place in the present day, it seems feasible that real-world photos and free alternatives can be considered for many frames; likewie, the lack of many signature special effects sequences means that the opportunity for non-free images is
1819:"The problem was, she wasn't supposed to say anything. But, because she did, the filmmakers decided that this was good, spontaneous stuff and that they should use it! A bit of rancor by fellow extras aside, Layla's star was now lit and hanging in the firmament." 1642:
William Shatner, Nimoy claims he wrote the scene into the film after encountering a similar situation in real life, wishing he really were Spock, so he could shut the man up. This commentary occurs at 45 minutes on my version, during the specified scene.
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Does anyone know what the actual name of the Pizza parlor is that Kirk and Gillian visit? If so, is it still standing? For the record, the hospital and glass factory are both still active buildings in San Francisco, in case anyone is planning a visit.
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If I would have to guess (without any real linguistic knowledge), I'd say it sounds like Icelandic. This could be way off, though. But I can rather confidently say that it is not Swedish. Not the words, pronounciation, nor "speech melody" fits into it.
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some extras involved in that scene, but Nimoy has made it clear that they also took advantage of the hidden camera to get reactions from random passersby as well. It's not made clear how just how many extras versus non-extras were involved.
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hehe ""The justice system works swiftly in the future now that they've abolished all lawyers." Not the right sci fi series, but probably accurate. I mean, star trek doesn't have money do they? and without money, what would lawyers do it for?
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If you would like to point out which minor roles or cameos are not cited, that can be addressed. I see none that are. I've cleaned up your citation spam. And your casting aspersions is pretty damn stupid. There's no conspiracy to spite you.
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Ah, okay. But the fair use rationale says one of the purposes is "to provide the reader with a clear indicator they have reached the proper article." That purpose is not well fulfilled by an image without the film's distinctive wordmark.
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I'm Swedish, and listening to the two whaler-phraces I found: I can tell you it does not sound like any Swedish I've ever heard :) And besides... the geographic location of Sweden has provided for a very small population of whalers.
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Additionally, I said it was Leonard Nimoy who said it. I didn't say it was Spock. An important distinction. Nimoy said it while directing the scene, and the sound folks left it in, either as a joke or cause they didn't notice it.
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Commonality, as in the shared attributes. The NTSC DVD, Laserdisc, and VHS covers all used the same art work, although things like the logos, type, and text changed. In that way the art itself is the most representative aspect.
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If you read the novel version, you can find part of the answer. it appears that they simply wanted to converse with the whales, but that the whales alkso performed some sort of role as story-tellers, and perhaps philosophers.
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There should have been no lengthy trial after Kirk and crew returned to Earth. Almost immediately upon entering the council chambers, Kirk pleads guilty to the charges, on behalf of himself and the crew". Trials take place
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I am still of the opinion that the film's distinctive wordmark is a significant part of the identification of the film, and so to use a version of the poster without it is not maximizing the image's encyclopedic value.
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nature of his request would dissuade people from offering assistance. In the end, when a young woman does stop and offer some directions, the directors felt it was so comical that they decided it had to be included.
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The only time anyone swore in the original series was Kirk's "Let's get the hell out of here" in "City on the Edge of Forever". McCoy's well-known "Dammit, Jim" didn't come into existence until the feature films.
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I'm going to try and push this towards GA or FA quality this autumn. One thing it's missing are some non-free images where they could be justified. Musing to myself (or anyone else) about what should be included:
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This is mostly relevant because Clarke is relevant as a Sci Fi writer, Star Trek is relevant as a Sci Fi multimedia franchise, and similarities between the 2 (intentional or unintentional) are worth referencing.
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in San Diego and LA respectively, within a few days of each other, so the article brought back pleasant memories... Both fish-out-of-water stories that couldn't help but resonate with a traveller... ;-) Cheers,
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and outside the federation, would be such that lawyers would surely be more like cultural experts for various societies. No one person could know all the rules and regs for any given situation, not even spock.
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Knowledge prioritizes verifiable and reliable secondary sources, not least because they help describe scope and coverage. Why would Amritraj's cameo be worth mentioning if no reliable source comments on it?
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23:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC) - I just saw a Spanish-dubbed version of this film. Curiously (and disturbingly), the phrase "Spanish Inquisition" was changed to "African witchcraft" (brujerĂ­a africana). Hmmm.
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The article refers to whales as a major plot element; that is enough, in the article itself, to confirm once a reader has found it that this is "the one...". The other thing required is a redirect; enter
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I'm surprised to see no discussion of the drastic change in appearance of interior of the Bird of Prey between Search For Spock and this movie. Is there anything out there about the reasons for this? --
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It was NOTHING MORE THAN A JOKE, a dig at 20th century culture, that people swore so much and so often that Kirk believed he wouldn't be listened to unless his own speech reflected that of the times.
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I was going to bring this up. More specifically, I was going to ask if its referred to as 'the one with the whales' outside the UK. However, where should this piece of info be included in the article?
1947:("Broken Bow"), when Captain Archer, fed up with T'Pol's prattling on about how humans can't control their emotions, asks her rhetorically if she has any idea how much he'd "like to knock on ass." 354:
Sounded to me like it was him, I've been told by people it was him. But even if it's not, the mere fact that someone's shouting "You pompous ass!" at an ambassador is trivial enough to be trivia. :)
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I added relevant portals, as long as they themselves were fairly good quality. i did not add the portal for film in the US, as its nowhere near as developed as the film portal. (mercurywoodrose)
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If the sucess of this film prompted TNG, surely the film would have finished its run before they would have a chance to develop trailers, and therefore couldnt have put them in before the film!
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we could have a note somewhere in the article - not necessarily in the leading paragraph - but somewhere on the page, that ST:IV is often referred to popularly as "the one with the whales".
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I am almost, (but not absolutely) certain that the whalers do NOT speak finnish. it sounds to me like swedish. this is approximately what I hear as the harpoon is deflected in "mid air"
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A jackass is a donkey, and maybe terms like "smartass" and "dumbass" have more to do with donkeys than with anatomy. In any case, it's kind of silly. Now, when Kirk told his crew in
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Hi, I'm not sure how to fix this, but the main article lists George Lucas as the film's producer. Obviously someone has intentionally changed it. Someone should fix this, thanks.
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sites. It is a fact that both designs are similar (because they are both simple 3D shapes, you cannot dispute the similarity or you are disputing what a cylinder looks like).
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Oh, it's not bogus. Listen closely to the dialogue. Once you know what it is, you can't help but hear it. Plus, as I said, it's verified in the subtitles on the DVD version.
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Many people know this movie solely as "the one with the whales", and thus cataloging it as such would aid users in searching for and finding the correct article. -
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A short video clip of the Probe running around, making sounds would help the production design and audio section, esp. since the audio described is very abstract.
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As mentioned in the image fair use pages, the commonality in things like home video releases and the theatrical posters, merchandise and promotion, et al, is the
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I can't believe there is a dispute about this. I just checked on Netfilx and he is in the movie and listed in the cast list at the end as 'Starship Captain'.
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The content you speak of is mentioned in the article (under filming); however it's not mutually exclusive with the idea that the scene originated with Meyer.
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refer to the animal's reputation for stubborness and have no origin in anatomy. 'Asshole' as an insult is probably a convergent term, not of direct origin.
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I didn't come across anything that touched on that topic in researching the article, so I'm going to tentatively say it didn't have any great effect.
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the entering of a plea (of not guilty) - not before. Upon entering a guilty plea, a court moves to sentencing, much as happened in the film.
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I could have sworn they were all extras except for the woman who actually answered the question... Oh well..--03:29, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
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quote from Meyer: "There was this scene with a boy and a radio that never made it into the finished film for various reasons" (Fischer 37).
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The article gives two contradictory origins for the bit with the Spock and the punk: one attributes it to a similar cut scene from Meyer’s
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extras, with the exception of the one who actually gave them an answer, who just happened to be passing by because she lived in the area.--
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If you can accept the concepts of the matter transporter and of backwards time travel, nothing else presents any serious logic problems.
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Keep in mind: I did not say they copied the idea, or used it as a reference or even as inspiration. I simply said they look similar.
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I think that swearing is probably more the scatalogical and vulgar swearing of today, not such harsh epithets as hell and damnit
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Especially when dealing with audio, in which different people can hear different things, a citation is absolutely required.
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This is no joke , they really did figure out how to make transparent aluminum using lasers . Check it out in Science Daily :
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By the way, are there any names for Saint Petersburg that do not revere the icons of an authoritarian repressive regime?
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This looks pretty decent on first glance; will review in more detail and leave comments over the next few days. Cheers,
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The less direct we get, the less relevant it is. I'd remove it unless some sort of supporting evidence can be found.
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The $ 21 million mentioed here disagrees with the $ 24 million mentioned in the infobox -- they should be consistent.
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to revert a good-faith reversion? Perhaps a discussion would be in order instead of treating me like a vandal?
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For the record, no longer an active question. Apparently the pizzia parlor was a set built on a sound stage. -
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For about a week after the October-but-it-was-really-November Revolution, the city was called "Libertyville".
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Alameda"), was a stranger whose response was considered so worthwhile that she was paid for her speaking role.
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Is it necessary to point any source (googling I found this one, but I guess it doesn't have much wegith:
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Video of the mind meld? Is it large enough/long enough to show the merging of different sourced content?
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But the film itself is a primary source. Why is a secondary source prioritized over a primary source?
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It has taken some time, but I have reviewed more soundtracks by Leonard Rosenman, in particular
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trivia section blanked? Maybe send it to a separate article, but not blank the entire thing. -
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these effects were created, not simply what they were; 2) in any case the para needs citation.
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little whaling of other species (particularly antarctic minke, sperm, fin, etc.) going on.
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Twice posted, twice removed. What is unacceptable about this most trival bit of trivia?
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And "vilket helvetes tull..." is 1. Not pronounced that way. 2. Total gibberish :)
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before the movie was made. But, has anyone else heard of Star Trek having an impact?
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No one has yet supplied a reliable source, unlike the other casting info provided.
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to me." -- McCoy to Kirk in the hospital elevator, on their way to save Chekov. -
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shot at their studio..." -- whose studio (not the humpback whales' I assume)? ;-)
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Another thing Star Trek is good for is coming up with lame explanations.
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