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done since 1996-97. Rangers have managed an invincible league season, the first time they've done it in 38 games. 102 points is their best ever points tally, beating their Premier League record of 97 points. 13 goals conceded is also the best ever defensive record in a 38 game campaign in the Scottish top flight. It is their best top flight goal difference ever, and the most goals scored in the league by Rangers since 2002-03. I know it already says "Gerrard led Rangers through a record-breaking season" but I believe specific details would give more respect to this season, especially considering they weren't favourites to win the league and how it represents his development as a manager to work well with resources given.
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as touched on in 2., space is at a premium in the lead. Both can be better addressed by having two nicely weighted paragraphs—one covering his entire playing career and the other summarising his achievements/explaining his notability in the sport—than the alternative of having one bloated paragraph attempting to cram in his club career and achievements, followed by a much smaller paragraph concerning a far less notable England career.
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similar development of the contents of the article itself: (1) the standard first paragraph (name, D.o.B., very brief high-level summary), (2) summary of playing career, (3) summary of managerial career, and (4) summary of achievements/significance/notability. The above proposed structure seems the natural step at this point in time to reaching that ultimate structure. —
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Under club career section, add this quote by Totti, “Steven Gerrard would be the captain of my World XI dream team. Gerrard is a complete player because he can play in every position and can do everything with a football at any time in a game. He’s a player who scores goals, who builds the play, he’s
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If we are to adequately summarise Gerrard's most notable successes, which it is appropriate to do in the lead section, I believe it necessary to attribute a paragraph to this instead of lumping it in with the club career paragraph. As explained in 1., we must consider a section's real due weight, and
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Given Gerrard's blossoming managerial career, space in the lead section is increasingly going to be at a premium. Devoting an entire paragraph solely for his international career is only going to become harder to justify with respect to keeping the lead to four short, succinct, and punchy paragraphs
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As the season in Scotland has come to an end, I believe it would make sense to update a few details in the Rangers section. "claiming back-to-back derby wins over rivals Celtic" should be updated to mention that Rangers have managed four wins over Celtic in the 2020-21 season, something they haven't
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In fact, the very idea of a strict "standard" for lead sections of any article (save merely for some recommendations on what should or should not be included) goes against the very purpose of a lead section, which is to be bespoke to each article with the sole objective of summarising its contents.
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In the career statistics chapter (Club section) it's mentioned that during 2009/10 season, Gerrard made 13 appearances at the continental stage all in the champions league scoring twice. Well in fact he did made 13 appearances but 6 of them are in the champions league and 7 are in the Europa league
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Steven Gerrard captained Liverpool to the premier league title in 2014 having originally finishing 2nd behind Man City who subsequently where discovered to have broken ffp rules regarding illegal payments to their managers and players. And creating false accounts to inflate sponsorship deals. The
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As a footnote to the above, I would envisage the eventual structure of this lead section, following the conclusion (or at least major development) of Gerrard's managerial career, (provided he doesn't kill anyone or do something else notable outside of the football sphere) would be, following a
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Steven Gerrard should have the 2005 super cup included in the honours section. He was injured during the actual match itself but Thomas Muller was injured in the Club World Cup final this year and he still got the credit for his teams victory.
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In light of recent conflicting edits regarding the structure of the lead section, I think it's appropriate to set out the reasoning behind my proposal for how the section should be structured. I believe it should be structured like
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because Liverpool finished third in their UCL group stage. And his two goals were scored in the Europa league not in the Champions league as the article seems to imply. Please review this mistake and correct it
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It is already in the article: "A match called The Gerrard Final, the goals made him the only player to have scored in the FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA Cup and Champions League finals." --
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This is the last sentence in the Managerial History - Rangers section. It simply needs removing as Rangers obviously have a long successful history and this is Celtic fan banter.
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Change "On 7 March 2021, Rangers won the Scottish Premiership title without losing a single league match, achieving their first ever league title in their 10 year history."
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Naturally, the contents of each footballer (and manager) biography will vary wildly, and this should be reflected in varying lead sections. Moreover, articles such as
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show it demonstrably false that there is any uniform "standard" for separating out the two portions of a player's career into separate paragraphs.
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or otherwise) specifying that the international and club careers of a player should be dedicated separate paragraphs in the lead, as claimed.
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Unfortunately, as this other editor pointed out, such a quote would not be compliant with our policies (specifically, WP:QUOTE).
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Change “Rangers first premiership title” in the Rangers managerial section. He lead them to their 55th, not 1st. Poorly worded
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I'm yet to hear any reasoned explanations for separating international and club career paragraphs, save for that it was the
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Well, I disagree. It is borderline for inclusion being a statistical oddity intersection European and English finals. --
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2005 uefa supercup win should be added to honours although he was not apart of squad he still recieves a medal.
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that support the change you want to be made. Please provide a source which says so. We cannot base articles on
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Add “Gerrard is the only player to score in a champions league, UEFA cup, FA cup and a League cup final.” <
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In the Rangers section of the Coaching Career section, it should read, "During the 2020–21 season, Gerrard
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He didn't win the onze player of the year award... Even the source says he finished second in 2005/06
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Relative significance and quantity of individual achievements/awards:
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Rangers to one of their best-ever starts to the season," not "lead."
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Steven Gerrard has won 11 trophies not 9 at professional level.
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My reasoning for structuring it as proposed is as follows:
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