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2624:. When capitalized, "the Crown Princess" refers to a specific person, most often the incumbent holder of the title. "The crown princess" would refer to a position. Compare with "the King", which refers to a person (in this case, the incumbent), and "the king", which refers to a position. In this article, we list people. We've got "The King" and no-one is arguing about that. The only issue with listing the Crown Princess as "The Crown Princess" is that, supposedly, she is never listed as such - which is not true, since she
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Knowledge articles when I discover something that is not correct or when, as in this case, a current event means the text in the article is outdated. I agree that debatable statements has no place in an article. This however, is not a debatable statement. It is sad when
Knowledge Policy is driven to extremes such that it deters occasional editors from contributing. I don't think we will get any further in this, I know that I can't be bothered to state the obvious repeatedly to no avail.
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to confirm that. However, under the same Act of
Succession, as a princess of the Royal House, she will lose her succession rights if she is not raised as a Lutheran and in Sweden. I expect her to be baptized in the Lutheran church (even though Chris O'Neill is Catholic), but the O'Neill couple has indicated they have no plans to move back to Sweden anytime soon. It is hard to imagine then that Princess Leonore will be "raised in Sweden" as required by Swedish law.
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2703:. To be consistent with the way that this and other article have been written, I guess 'The Crown Princess' should be used (assuming this title is unique to one individual) but personally I think that 'Crown Princess Victoria' or 'Victoria, The Crown Princess' would be better. I am sorry that this does not help you very much.
2551:. I am certain that I could also disprove your assertion that she is "never listed as Kronprinsessan", but for the purposes of this article, disproving the claim that she is "never listed as The Crown Princess" is enough. Listing her as "The Crown Princess" is perfectly normal and common, and simply natural and expected in
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I don't see such a reference, and finding one (or even several) such, IMAO, would not settle the issue, as that reference could be erroneous. Translating and/or transliterating titles and styles between countries and languages and dictionaries and encyclopedias is fraught with difficulties. There is,
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That unsolved legal question might actually come up earlier than previously thought when
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their subjects have set the Bernadottes by broadening male to absolute primogeniture in succession to the crown: That principle will greatly expand royal families just as their governments (and critics) are bent on shrinking them. Let us hope they don't resolve it by adopting such labyrinthine and
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You seem to have missed that "I think that 'Crown Princess Victoria' or 'Victoria, The Crown Princess' would be better" (Martin Hogbin) and "They should be listed as Crown Princess Victoria, Duchess of VÀstergötland ..." (Marbe166) are what I was going by, not having seen anything on this talk page
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versus you alone in support. 2ndly, while you are entitled to adhere to your opinion regardless, I cannot see how you have established here that "The Crown Princess" is "a Knowledge invention", since two reputable links have been cited refuting that assertion. At this point you appear to be editing
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OF's complaint, as I understand it, is that there can be no meaningful ranking between princes who were not in the queue at the same time, such as Gustaf (died September 1852) and Carl Oscar (born December 1852). Removing "in this order" papers over that issue, but then there's nothing to say that
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I am not advancing a position, or making a debatable statement. I am stating a fact that follows from the wording of a law. It does not even matter if Princess Leonore received a title or not, she would be in the order of succession regardless if she was a plain Miss O'Neill. I occasionally update
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Since no link, reference of otherwise applicable info has been given yet which shows Victoria elsewhere on any kind of list while called "The Crown Princess" or "The Crown Princess, Duchess of VÀstergötland", I am asking again that such info be specifically provided here. References in Swedish, in
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This article is a little unclear as where the succession goes beyond the immediate Royal Family. Is the succession limited by law to the current King's descendants, is it the case that every other sibling, uncle/aunt, cousin etc either had no children or were removed for "unequal marriages" or is
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automatically members of the Royal House or Royal Family (which would be absurd), a situation will arise when there might be people in the line of succession who might not be princes/princesses of Sweden. It will be unclear then if those people can be non-Lutherans for example and still be in the
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I have tried to correct a Knowledge invention in this article where Crown Princess Victoria now is listed as "The Crown Princess, Duchess of VÀstergötland". (See previous section!) It is unheard of to list her that way. One editor, who invented this, keeps reverting my correction - last with this
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Well, getting rid of "in this order" is an improvement. I'm doubtful to the necessity of the section as whole, and I think the hierarchical structure can be confusing, but on the other hand it contains information. Maybe that information could be made explicit, so that the children of each regent
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I don't see the point of these lists either. I'm more curious about whether the line is limited to the three persons listed, and if not, why they aren't on our list. We don't have to go to 4000 like the British list, but some indication of where the line would go beyond the immediate royal family
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It seems to me that 'The Crown Princess' refers to a position rather than a specific person. If referring to the current holder of the position, whoever that may be then 'The Crown Princess' might be in order but if we are specifying an individual person then I believe that we must say 'Crown
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Princess Leonore's status is not at all unclear. She is a descendant of the King so she is currently in line. That however does not mean that she cannot lose her status if the requirements are not met. It is certainly not unheard of or even uncommon, two of the current king's uncles lost their
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The name and titles of Princess Leonore has been published and referenced. She does not yet have a biography page on the royalcourt.se web page, but her position in the order of succession is not determined by any text on that web site. It is determined by the Act of Succession. This says in
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The issue has now changed from whether or not it is appropriate to list Victoria merely as The Crown Princess" or (even more far-fetched) as "The Crown Princess, Duchess of VÀstergötland", to whether or not it has been shown at all that she is listed thus elsewhere. My standpoint is this:
2446:, she is exclusively referred to as "The Crown Princess" and never by name. Referring to her as "The Crown Princess" is as correct as referring to her father as "The King" and to her brother as "The Duke of VĂ€rmland". There is absolutely no difference, neither grammar-wise nor usage-wise.
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in any language called only "The Crown Princess" or "The Crown Princess, Duchess of VÀstergötland", I am asking again that such info be specifically provided here. References in Swedish, in that case, need to show her on such a list as "Kronprinsessan" or "Kronprinsessan, hertiginnan av
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Has a reference been given to refute a claim that a Knowledge invention has been added to a list in the article or has no such reference been given? Since I have seen no link, reference of otherwise applicable info yet which clearly shows that Victoria appears elsewhere on any kind of
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Thank you! You were asked for a neutral 3O and I see no need for you to apologize for giving it. You were very helpful to the solution of the issue, and that, I assume, was your main intention. You helped both of us resolve it, and I now hope that your valued opinion will be respected.
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I like the indentations, but I am used to such in genealogical lists, so I may be prejudiced. But with the indentations the generations are clear, as they are not at all when everyone is all boxed in. I'm going to take a stab at something simpler, maintaining the indentations.
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Thus the set of past and present dynasts has a unique ordering. If you want to know what was the order at a given date, you can strike from the list anyone who was born (or qualified, in Victoria's case) after that date, or died or was disqualified earlier; or you can look at
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What do you mean by "the children of each gets their own section"? Each person in the list has his own article, which should list his children if any. The succession isn't limited to the children of monarchs; it can go any number of generations in the male line.
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listed as "HRH The Prince of Wales". "The Prince of Wales" is the correct way to address him. Anyway, my point is that listing Victoria as "The Crown Princess" is as correct and as natural as listing Carl XVI Gustaf as "The King". I suppose you share that opinion,
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I see both your points, and in the case of the Crown Princess you could argue for both ways of listing her in this list. However, the problem with the current listing is evident when we look at Princess Estelle, Prince Carl Philip and Princess Madeleine. They are
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I don't agree that it is synthesis. The law states that all descendants of King Carl XVI Gustaf are in the succession. It is also stated in numerous articles of which I originally referenced one that Princess Leonore is Princess Madeleine's daughter. The
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I would think that the burdon of proof is on the side that claims that she is not in the order of succession, in contradiction of the law. Or is the law not a verifiable source? Anyway, here is a source that says she is in the order of succession:
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Very good question! The answer to it is yes. The dynasty was created on September 26 1810 when the Swedish government passed legislation designating Carl John's male heirs as heirs to the Swedish throne and Oscar became Duke of Sudermania.
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Had Bernadotte died after his adoption but before his succession, would Oskar be king or did he only become a dynast when his father became king? I'm wondering whether the list ought to be dated to the adoption rather than the succession.
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Before 28 May 2008, there was a list for each time someone was born, disqualified or died. I collapsed them all into this (since deleted), which I repeat here in case anyone's interested and to explain what the above discussion is about.
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You've already been asked by two users not to disrupt. I am asking you again. Please don't. The evidence is there, and it was deemed sufficient by three people. Please do not edit against the consensus, as that's clearly
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As of today, that distinction is moot since all people currently in the line of succession happen to be also princes or princesses of Sweden and members of the Royal Family. However, in the future, unless we assume that
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and a source that says Carl XVI Gustaf's descendants are in the line. You are combining two or even three sources to come up with the conclusion that she is in the line. I have no idea how that is not a breach of
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progeny! Meanwhile, until the Swedes do restrict the royal princely title somehow, I don't see any doubt about the applicability of the laws' intrusive restrictions to an ever-widening pool of
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Ah, sorry. Turns out "regent" doens't mean "regent". So I meant "ruler" above. :-)
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