Talk:Poles in Lithuania

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cannot be ignored. This was a thesis taken from the interwar ideology, which was later propagated, among others, by a contemporary leading Lithuanian linguist Zigmas Zinkevičius. In 1996-1998 he held the office of the Minister of Education and Science of the Republic of Lithuania in the government of Gediminas Vagnorius' government, contributing to the intensification of the policy of Lithuanianisation policy of the so-called South-Eastern Lithuania. In the early 1990s Zinkevičius propagated the view that there are "no Poles" in Lithuania - there are only "polonised Lithuanians" who should be facilitated to return to the bosom of the nation. There were voices raised on the necessity to "relithuanise" Poles, who had been "forcibly" polonised in their time, to which Lithuanian Poles reacted very negatively. The above-mentioned linguist belonged to the group of promoters of the thesis of "tutejszy" and "po prostu". He was one of a group of scholars who proved the theory of the so-called "wicz", which boiled down to the claim that the so-called local residents living in the Vilnius region, whose surnames end in "vich" and who speak a Polish-Belarusian dialect, are ethnic Lithuanians. He wrote: "In this part of the country are very popular all kinds of myths - nonsense spread by polonophiles. The local language of Poles, which we have to deal with north of Vilnius and more or less up to Vilnius , is Belarusian. However, try explaining this to those who don't want to hear it. They will start proving to you that it is a local Polish dialect. Is this not a myth? And abroad in Lithuania the same language, which does not differ in anything, is called Belarusian". (...) Later, this theory was developed by another Lithuanian historian, Alvydas Butkus, who calls the language of the Polish minority in Lithuania "relative language". In his opinion, this variety of language came to Vilnius at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries. Therefore, it cannot be any of the dialects of the Polish language. (...) In 1988 nationalist organisation Vilnija (Vilnius region) was established, which is still active today. Its main aim was the fastest possible Lithuanianisation of the so-called South-Eastern Lithuania (Vilnius region) (...) From the very beginning of its existence it had a mainly anti-Polish character and as a "public benefit" organisation, which aims to promote the Lithuanian language and culture in the so-called Eastern Lithuania (Vilnius region), it was subsidised from the state budget. The most prominent activists of Vilnius during the period in question were, among others, the above-mentioned scientists - Zigmas Zinkevičius and Alvydas Butkus, but also other members of the Sąjūdis initiative group (Romualdas Ozolas and Professor Arnoldas Piročkinas). The chairman of the association - Kazimieras Garšva - for 20 years held the position of a "social advisor" at the Ministry of Education of the Republic of Lithuania, and the members of Vilnius have held high official, advisory and scientific positions since the establishment of the organisation.

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Lithuanian territory"). He believes that the polonisation that took place in Lithuania during the "Polish occupation" was also reflected in scientific literature (...) The influence of the Polish language on the Lithuanian language, according to Zinkevićius, was significant, however, he comments as follows: "From the very beginning, the Polish language in Lithuania formed independently. A specific variety of the language was formed (Poles called it Lithuanian Polish), which is still used in oral form. And it is from this language, and not from the language used in Poland, that the Polish borrowings in the Lithuanian language originate". (s. 245). Researcher divides the Polish language into the language used in Lithuania and the language used in Poland. He does not explain the criteria of such a division, allowing one to think that Vilnius Polish cannot be regarded as an integral part of Polish, which, of course, is wrong, as differences in pronunciation cannot constitute a distinctive feature sufficient to distinguish a given language. Zinkevićius' position is justified only from a propaganda point of view. The division into Vilnius Polish and Polish as separate and independently functioning linguistic systems makes it possible to place Polish in Lithuania in the position of a secondary and dying language, which does not have its own grammar, and any scientific and literary activity is not recorded by this language. Zinkevićius, I believe, intentionally does not mention the Polish press currently published in Lithuania (...) From a philological point of view, Zinkevićius' book is a valuable voice in the scientific research on the Baltic languages, all the more so because the work has been presented to a wide range of readers - due to the language of the lecture, which is English. However, it seems to me that the weakness of the work is its lack of objectivity, mixing ideology and scientific facts.

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here?" he would answer me angrily (Nemenčinė parish). And here are the words of an 90 years old lady, a few days after our first conversation, when I came to complete the Lithuanian words she had mention: "there were no Lithuanians here, I from Nemenčinė parish, here's Poland and that's it, I was baptised here, born here, I don't know else and that's it". The blame for this distrust lies not with any contemporary Lithuanian agitation, which does not exist in these Polish territories and cannot exist in view of the ardent Polish patriotism, but with the position of Lithuanian priests at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries. They demanded, for example, that the Lithuanians, who had already been polonised at that time, should be able to recite prayers or at least cross themselves in Lithuanian. Otherwise, according to the landowners, they did not want to hear confessions, or even marry and baptise children of reluctant parents: "they pressed us to say the prayers in Lithuanian, they did not take us to confession, so we learned to say the prayers in Lithuanian a little", or: when the priest said: "If you don't know how to say the prayer in Lithuanian, there will be no confession"

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own. Anyway, the Toruñ Peace is clear: the monastic state together with its subjects was supposed to be a part of the Polish Crown, creating together "unum et individuum corpus, una gens, unus populus in amicicia, federe et unione". So the use of the Polish name of the city would be justified, but for the sake of consistency it should be replaced by Königsberg. There is no justification for using the Lithuanian name. Besides, communist Poland was not a fief of the Soviet Union, because there was no fief law in force then. The fact that a unit consisted largely of an ethnic group of Prussian Lithuanians does not automatically make it a Lithuanian unit, it was a Prussian and then a German unit. Many units of the Russian army consisted of Poles, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, but they are not automatically units of these ethnic groups (this happened in the final phase of WWI when such units began to transform into national units)

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Lithuanian-speaking population, you don't know the exact number) and you cannot reduce the whole community to this term. Poles in Lithuania define themselves as people of Polish culture and identity, this is how they should be described. The article already describes well how the Polish minority in Lithuania came into being, both in the main body and in the introduction. You can expand it. An important reason for this is that it is a narrative promoted by the Lithuanian racial theory of the nation, to which any person who has Baltic origins should be re-lituanised. There can be no place for such a thing. Incidentally, I find it pathetic that you make one or two small edits after making this change so that I cannot simply rewert your change.

1230:. I am not the one introducing racial categories, but Lithuanian historians who are obsessed with them. Moreover, your sources are factually incorrect, e.g. they equate the borders between Catholicism and Orthodoxy circa 1920 with the border of the so-called "ethnographic Lithuania" and the extent of the "Lithuanian race". This is erroneous because they omit the mass Catholicization of the Belarusian population after the liquidation of the Uniate Church. (Unless we assume that the entire population up to Pripyat and Volga is the "Lithuanian race"). 701:

or "Lithuanian Polish" is in no way controversial. I do not know what matters where Barbara Jundo-Kaliszewska was born, the important thing is that Zinkevičius is a fierce anti-Pole and his opinions about Poles in Lithuania have no value. Boroch is an anthropologist, his person is not important anyway, what is important is the nonsense that ZZ writes. You say that his nonsense is confirmed by many scholars, can you name them? Is it someone from outside his circle? I don't think so. Certainly Turska is not among them.

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in Lithuania, as I mentioned above, into three varieties: the language of the educated strata, the language of the common people in two variants: closer to Lithuanian and closer to Belarusian. "Simple speech" is completely apart from it, it is neither Belarusian nor Polish (although closer to the former), but a kind of interdialect.

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adopted Polish culture, while still maintaining a Lithuanian identity. In the 19th century, the processes of Polonisation also affected the Lithuanian and Belarusian peasantry and led to the formation of a long strip of land with a predominantly Polish population, stretching to Daugavpils and including Vilnius.

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I'm not denying anything. I don't trust your edits and I think most of them even if not biased are usually pretty low quality. I also don't deny that I take up controversial topics and try to remove historical absurdities (such as pushing Lithuanian names for Polish speakers), moreover I don't intend

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article existed about a week ago, and I didn't read it either so I didn't notice the use of the name "Królewiec", but of course it should be removed. Königsberg was obviously a part of Poland, given as a fief to the Order and then to the Hohenzollern duke. You can't give as a fief something you don't

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have a sentence about their origin. It is unreasonable to forgo that on Poles in Lithuania. Marcelus is adamant about removing this sentence about their origin because he has made it clear that he considers it motivated by POV, when it simply is not and instead is a fact asserted by many researchers.

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Of course it is still the same narrative, that is one thing. Two it is still a racial category. Three even your sources don't confirm it. According to Zinkevicius, Stalin displaced 200,000 Lithuanians pretending to be Poles and settled 200,000 Belarusians pretending to be Poles. So, according to this

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Zigmas Zinkevičius cannot be considered a reliable source in matters concerning the Polish language and Poles in Lithuania. Since he was a Lithuanian nationalist politician, the Minister of Education, known for his attempts to Lithuanianise the Polish minority, his views are characterised by a strong

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is not provocation by any definition. Neither is it ethno-nationalist, unless talking at all about nations, ethnicities, their origins or ancestry is nationalist, so... I guess all diaspora articles (like this one) are nationalist by that definition. Even using mostly Lithuanian sources would not be

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Zinkevicius claims that there was "deliberate Polonisation" from the beginning of the union. This is, of course, nonsense. The worst part is how instrumentally and dishonestly he treats Turska's research. He omits passages that do not suit him. In her book she writes about why old people do not want

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The sentence isn't about "Lithuanian Polish", but about its variety spoken by the common people. The main ZZ claim is that Polish spoken in Lithuania has and had nothing to do with standard Polish. ZZ views are obviously anti-Polish, he doesn't see them as actual national Polish minority, but a some

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Do you even read Polish? Nowhere in this article does Turska write that Lithuanian Polish is dying out or that it is a separate language that has nothing in common with standard Polish. Either you don't read Polish or you are deliberately misleading. The existence of a northeastern dialect of Polish

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Zinkevićius' book also deals with the sensitive issue of Polish-Lithuanian contacts and the "intentional Polonisation" of Lithuania (...) Zinkevićius completely excludes the credibility of Polish sources and studies (Zinkevicius uses the term "occupation activity" in relation to Polish activities on

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I don't really think there is an issue, and we as far as I remeber were talking about it sometime ago. Yednistvo is mentioned in later part of the article, it doesn't have to be included in the lead, it was after all very short episode in the history of Poles in Lithuania. The rest of the points as

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I encourage you to read what Turska writes, because it is fascinating, rather than relying on what others write about her (I can send you a pdf, she published her book in a trilingual version, including Lithuanian, unfortunately I only have scans of the Polish part). She divides the Polish language

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There were also cases when an informer, having quoted to me on one day a number of Lithuanian words, phrases or even songs, the next day - probably after a longer reflection or after having been teased by neighbors - completely denied any knowledge of the language: "what do you want to do Lithuania

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Right from the start the imported Polish language in Lithuania began acquiring its own unique traits. The so-called Lithuanian Polish language was forming (the Poles call it "polszczyzna litewska") and is still spoken in these regions today. It was from this language, and not from the Polish spoken

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is built against the rules. Because it suggests the existence of Lithuanian units in the Prussian army (under Lithuanian command, using Lithuanian symbols etc). Which is obviously not true. Of course I have a problem with Lithuanian names being used in reference to Prussian and later German cities

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I don't start conflicts for the sake of conflicts, I just take on difficult topics, that I feel are misrepresented. Don't accuse me of disrespecting other people, I respect you and every other user, I just think your edits are usually not very good. Too often your main source is articles from the

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I want repeat myself over and over. But I think it would be fair to all concerned if you stopped pretending that you don't know what it's all about. I would appreciate it if you would stop blaming everything on me. I don't start conflicts, I just remove untruths and historical nonsense and agenda

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Speaking about the anti-Polonism of the late 20th century, one cannot ignore the theory, widely propagated in the media at the turn of the 1980s and 1990s, of "polonised Lithuanians. The theory of "polonised Lithuanians" widely propagated in the Lithuanian media at the turn of the 1980s and 1990s

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During the Polish–Lithuanian union, there was an influx of Poles into the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the gradual Polonization of its elite and upper classes. At the end of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1795, almost all of Lithuania's nobility, clergy, and townspeople spoke Polish and

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Except you are wrong here once more (literally nothing he said is anti-Polish, as it is reaffirmed even by Polish, not to mention other sources) and you are unfairly singling him out. Missing out on certain language sources is not a proof that the person harbours negative views, as Barbara

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You are overcomplicating simple things: First of all, there was mass Polonization of Lithuanians in Lithuania. Second, these Lithuanians were Polonized Lithuanians. Third, the Polonized Lithuanians had children. Fourth, that is how most of the Poles in Lithuania came into existence. Ergo,

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Regiment of Polish lancier was a Polish was an unit formed in Warsaw as a bodyguard of the Emperor, later it was incorporated into the Imperial Guard as a foreign unit. It had Polish command, commanders, uniforms and symbols. A completely different story than the German unit, in which

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I would be all for such mid-way compromises if they would be warranted, but throughout this whole ordeal, I am the one who tries to reconcile and refine the phrasing for it to be more acceptable to Marcelus, but Marcelus will have none of it and simply removes it over and over again.

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Individual units cooperated on the basis of obtaining weapons to fight Soviet partisans, but full-scale collaboration never took place. I will keep deleting your narrative about "Slavicized Lithuanians", because it's simply not true (not all Poles in Lithuania are descendants of the

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clearly suggest it was a German unit, as the name of category. I don't think "Królewiec" name should be used in the article, but the city was part of Poland since 1454(66) to 1658. There is no reason to use Lithuanian place names for towns outside of Lithuania in English

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Wyrazem nieprzychylnego stanowiska społeczeństwa względem polszczyzny wileńskiej jest tępienie i pozbywanie się jej własciwości. Pomocną jest tu z jednej strony szkoła, z drugiej - wojsko. Napozór grozi polszczyzńie wileńskiej zagłada. Jakie będą jej dalsze losy, pokaze

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did come about through Polonization, etc., etc. I don't understand - this Professor says what is confirmed by multiple sources and is the historical truth, and here you are insulting him and denigrating him as "nasty" and "anti-Polish" for what Poles themselves have

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If you want to think that I disrespect you, that your call, but that's not what I feel. I simply consider your edits as being of rather low quality, end of story. And of course the dragoon regiment wasn't a Lithuanian unit and calling it that is spreading of false

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or my proposals, etc.). I do not have a personal grudge, I could really just forget it all, but Marcelus keeps removing sourced material. And allowing bad behaviour is in itself a bad behaviour, which I will not permit for the sake of the noble goal of Knowledge.

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that Marcelus initiates. These confrontations deeply sadden me, because I want to edit the articles instead of wasteful friction in articles and talk pages. But Wiki-life has not been the same when Marcelus initiated all of this already more than a half-year ago.

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articles should all be renamed to the actual names these people used, and I will soon make request for that. As for this articles you keep pushing nationalist pseudohistorical theory that Polish people in Lithuania are just "Slavicized Lithuanians".

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I agree that if such statements should appear anywhere then certainly not in the lead. Besides, the process of the creation of the Polish minority in Lithuania is described quite exhaustively both in the introduction and in the main part of the

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In an article about the 1st Lithuanian Dragoon Regiment you wrote that it was a Lithuanian dragoon regiment in service of the Kingdom of Prussia, which is clearly not true. It wasn't a Lithuanian unit. You are deliberately spreading historical

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First comes denial, then comes the justification for doing the thing denied. In addition, neither claim is true or accurate, it is just a highly subjective, self-contradicting opinion that does not stand up to scrutiny. Removing

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As you can see, we are dealing with a person who preaches nasty anti-Polish theories. He may be an expert on the Lithuanian language, but his views on the Polish language in Lithuania are tainted with hateful nationalism. This

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is factually true. You denying that tells more about you than it does about the veracity of this sentence. Furthermore, no one brought the terminology and concept of race into this except you - I recommend that you check out

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Information about the origin of the Polish minority is already in the lead. I myself added an extensive excerpt from the article about how the Polish community in Lithuania came into being. I'm also working on an article

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BTW I don't understand why sentence "During the Polish–Lithuanian union, there was an influx of Poles" is tagged as original research, since it's well explained with references in the article. I'm removing that tag.

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that were never part of Lithuania. This is nonsensical, there is no justification for calling Königsberg in Lithuanian. If you don't want to waste your time in discussions with me, you don't have to take part in them

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Yes there is. When speaking about Lithuania-related articles and mentioning Königsberg, it would be justified to mention the Lithuanian-language names, even in brackets, just like Polish-language names are used in

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approx. 200,000 people were repatriated from Lithuania, mostly from the former Vilnius territory. Among them there were many Lithuanians who identified themselves as Poles in to order to escapre Stalin's

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you showed are unsourced statements, that wants to change neutral narrative to the one representing particular POV. Nonetheless all of these is described in detail in the appropriate part of the article.

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There is Lithuanian POV, which I don't ignore, and I read and reference Lithuanian historians all the time. And there are falsehoods and misleadings, like calling units of Prussian army "Lithuanian".

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a problem, because just as Marcelus uses mostly Polish sources, so others frequently using Lithuanian sources is perfectly reasonable - we use the sources we can, by default. I don't understand why

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is brought up against me, I am just reacting against the total removal of well-sourced information just because someone dislikes it for some reason, going so far as contradicting Wiki guidelines.

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The answer to this is that you yourself are simply wrong, because what I said was in the article I referenced. Plus, no one called it a separate language, I have no clue where you got that from.

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or following any other Knowledge rule. If he doesn't like it, it has to go, and that's it, regardless of the justification. Simply impossible to reach an agreement when that's the attitude.

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This is what I would do. I'm still not sure if that polemical claim (backed by no research) should be in the lede. I'm bending towards that it's not. (see the talk page for prior discussion

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Lastly, the language alone does not determine nationality. It is determined by ways of life, customs, folklore and other elements of national culture, and finally - racial peculiarities

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needs attribution (According to...) if here to stay. Yeah... a polemical statement undoubtedly should not be in the lede of the article. (I'm talking about this, in particular, --: -->

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Zinkevičius was an eminent expert in the Lithuanian language, but he was also a nationalist politician, minister of education, and his texts about Poles are steeped in prejudice.

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Most of Poles who live southwards of Vilnius speak a form of Belarusian vernacular called there "simple speech", that contains many substratical relics from Lithuanian and Polish.

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next to the statement emphasize that there were once Lithuanian-speaking Lithuanians in those areas and there was no massive migration of Polish people into there, but instead

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Marcelus made them controversial. Before Marcelus, there was no controversy in the area of Lithuanian military history to begin with. Marcelus began the conflict, exhibits

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started directly as a result of Marcelus' actions. Marcelus was the initiator and so is responsible. This is a matter-of-fact statement. If I am lying or false, prove it.

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for addressing some things beyond content, but if they aren't at the very least acknowledged and answered now, they will only resurface and cause more problems later on.

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material in various articles could be viewed as uncooperative behaviour. Just because a person finds something personally objectionable, thus untrue in their view, does

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During the interwar period there was an almost complete denationalization of Lithuanians (in fact, Lithuanians were particularly resistant to attempts at Polonization)

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All of that said, I am nonetheless willing to cooperate and find middle grounds. The best example of one that was already found between me and Marcelus would be the

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and many other clearly Lithuanian figures were Polish-language speakers. Not to mention, that in different languages, different names were used. And, in the case of

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The larger issue at play is that Marcelus seems to be on a emotionally-invested and obssessed crusade against what he perceives as Lithuanian overreach, e.g. in the

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I agree that there was no unit in the Prussian Army under Lithuanian command or that used Lithuanian symbols. Your issues and claims are unjustified and imagined.

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You say one thing, and yet you removed my sourced additions in the introduction repeatedly. Only after numerous reverts did you decide to leave some parts of it.

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I don't think he is reliable, at least in matter concering Poland. In my opinion he should be excluded as a reliable source in this field. I can go to

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Sometimes there is little bits and bobs that need to be changed. There were misplaced "}}" signs, and I moved them to the correct place with this

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Ethnographic Lithuania comprises those areas whose inhabitants are linked to each other by common ties of origin - race, nationality and culture

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Of course I have a problem with Lithuanian names being used in reference to Prussian and later German cities that were never part of Lithuania.

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the countryside was filled with immigrants from the neighboring Byelorussian districts, who inundated the Vilnius territory and becamse "Poles"

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on April 18 (obviously false after looking through edit histories and otherwise). That's denial right there, and thus Marcelus replying with

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of the statements. Naturally, I won't write an entire Wiki article with references here, but I definitely have read, about, for example, the

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You are misportraying him as something he is not. As for Boroch, he is not an authority on the topic, and he himself is biased with a Polish

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Some of these claims, false according to Milewski and Marcelus, are actually true though. I have read articles by other researchers proving

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is considered to be a Polish unit, not because it was part of a Polish army, but because of its composition. Unless you want to call that

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Incidentally, I find it pathetic that you make one or two small edits after making this change so that I cannot simply rewert your change.

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Such a fact of important relevance deserves to be made clear to the readers, instead of assuming that they will realise it themselves.

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Don't accuse me of disrespecting other people, I respect you and every other user, I just think your edits are usually not very good.

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Zinkevičius gets his ideas about the Polish language in Lithuania from the Polish linguist Halina Turska. Go read her article (here

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Because it suggests the existence of Lithuanian units in the Prussian army (under Lithuanian command, using Lithuanian symbols etc)

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Yeah, we both worked together on it. The contested phrase is indeed on the origin of the Polish minority, but you keep removing it.

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is disrespectful (especially without any proof or a given reason), and refusing to see that as such reveals a problem in attitude.

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preferences & personal impressions. As for the last claim, it's pointless to talk to you about it - just straight up ignoring

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Etnografinė Lietuva apima tuos plotus, kurių gyventojai tarpusavyje susiję bendrais kilmės - rasės, tautybės ir kultūros ryšiais

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in Lithuania being armed by Germans and both tacitly working together in 1944, at least in the territory of the Vilnius Region.

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The Stalinist Polonization of the Vilnius territory had begun and was more brutal that that of the Poles during their occupation

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Jundo-Kaliszewska, a historian who you mentioned, did so herself, and no one is accusing her of being anti-Lithuanian. What "

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The Ethnolinguistic Essence of Lithuanian Nationalism and the Anti-Polonism of Lithuanians in the late 1980s and early 1990s

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Yeah, I see.. We need a more comprehensive community input then. Do you like to broadcast something on the proper panel? -

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with this. These are examples of false claims from his book Восточная Литва в прошлом и настоящем, (according to review by

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simply too much, where Marcelus' self-admitted deep mistrust of me and pretty much all that I do on Wiki (self-admitted

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Vilnius region under Polish rule became backward and served as a springboard for expansion into neighbouring countries

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the important thing is that Zinkevičius is a fierce anti-Pole and his opinions about Poles in Lithuania have no value

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I don't know if out of ignorance or intentionally but you are confusing the unit nickname with its affiliation. The

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where I describe this phenomenon in much more detail. So your accusations are unfounded. Actually I was wrong about

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but you keep introducing previously non-existent friction in many articles and this friction needs to be adressed.

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Lithuanians were prosecuted for distributing newspapers, national education of children, listening to Kaunas radio

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perhaps try to work with Lithuanian POV in mind .. IDK maybe imagine you have a beautiful Lithuanian wife from

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kind of "ethnographic material" that needs to be relithuanised. The nonesense of ZZ views was listed by Boroch.

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I don't know if out of ignorance or intentionally but you are confusing the unit nickname with its affiliation.

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Units of the Royal Prussian Army that were officially titled "Lithuanian" at some point during their existence.

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In 20 years only 20 Lithuanians graduated from the university (in fact only in 1929 there were 42 Lithuanians)

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You are the one doing the mistake of confusing the unit nickname with its affiliation. Did you not see in

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where I corrected it from "Polish Catholic priest" to "Lithuanian Catholic priest". If one were to follow

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and proven by what is written in the article, even if you want to ignore Zinkevičius. You removing it is

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Lithuanians had it worse than under Tsarism, they had no press and could not defend themselves in court

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in the infobox? The same in other articles. You are projecting onto me accusations that only exist in

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1st Lithuanian Dragoon Regiment was a Lithuanian dragoon regiment in service of the Kingdom of Prussia

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The main ZZ claim is that Polish spoken in Lithuania has and had nothing to do with standard Polish.

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descended from the once Lithuanian-speaking populations of the area. There is a difference between

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This is a link to a cycle of Lithuanian-language articles about the Home Army in the Vilnius Region

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Yes they do and there are even quotes from them clearly showing that they support the statement.--

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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I'll remind you again about your unblock pledge (you were editing under Itzhak Rosenberg) --: -->

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internet or old google books. You rarely use sources in English when they are readily available.

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If you don't want to waste your time in discussions with me, you don't have to take part in them

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The source next to the sentence does not talk about Yedinstvo but it was also re-introduced -

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admiration felt or shown for someone or something that you believe has good ideas or qualities

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The category name is not misleading, you are fantasizing - the category in question follows

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emotionally-invested and obssessed crusade against what he perceives as Lithuanian overreach

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That's not an option on Knowledge. Ignoring what others say is not a solution. I am here to

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emotionally-invested and obssessed crusade against what he perceives as Lithuanian overreach

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After the occupation of Vilnius in 1920 by Zeligowski there were pogroms against Lithuanians

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try to remove historical absurdities (such as pushing Lithuanian names for Polish speakers)

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And there are falsehoods and misleadings, like calling units of Prussian army "Lithuanian".

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I don't start conflicts, I just remove untruths and historical nonsense and agenda pushing.

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the aforementioned military and neutral history is not neutral anymore thanks to Marcelus.

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During the war, Polish priests promised 40 days of indulgence for every Lithuanian killed

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However Category:Lithuanian units of the Royal Prussian Army is built against the rules.

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Yes, I am going through your edits persistently because I don't trust you as an editor.

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I don't edit because I don't have time lately, but I watch with horror the activity of

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At this point it is deliberate, because I myself explained it to him dozens of times

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on Knowledge and will dedicate myself purely to editing military and neutral history

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This is nonsensical, there is no justification for calling Königsberg in Lithuanian.

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was recruited almost exclusively from volunteers from its immediate homeland, i.e.

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If so, then why don't you have an issue with the Yiddish name Vilna in the article

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To call units how they were called is neither falsehood, nor misleading. Does the

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Having said that, I think it would be beneficial for all of us (that means me and

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First of all your sources are not unbiased, besides Zigmas Zinkevičius, you quote

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of the ZZ book "The history of the Lithuanian Language" written by Robert Boroch:

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Marcelus is the one who begins conflicts with multiple people, but others (e.g.

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I don't think that this article is too long for now. There is also an article

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Too often your main source is articles from the internet or old google books.

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Stalin settled 200,000 newcomers from Belarus in order to polonise Lithuania

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What Zinkevičius said perfectly aligns with what is already in the article:

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pushing. If that triggers your objection then that is your fault, not mine

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Information about the origin of the Polish minority is already in the lead.

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was called "Lithuanian" but it was a Russian military unit. Same goes for

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And that's already in the article~, both main body and the introduction.

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from units recruited in Lithuanian-speaking areas? Clear double-standard.

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Actually I was wrong about Cultural regions of Belarus, sorry about that.

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and could be used somewhere in the article. What do you folks think? -

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I think most of them even if not biased are usually pretty low quality

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the lead contains a quick summary of the topic's most important points

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I know you were wrong, but it serves to illustrate that you are on a

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Dragoner-Regiment „Prinz Albrecht von Preußen“ (Litthauisches) Nr. 1

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is the opposite of respect, i.e. disrespect (disrespect is defined

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that don't suit you, so why bother). Those locations were part of

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False - being a vassal does not mean you are part of the country.

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1st Light Cavalry Lancers Regiment of the Imperial Guard (Polish)

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The article is getting too long to read comfortably. I tagged it

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column on 26 January 2007. The text of the entry was as follows:

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was a Lithuanian unit by virtue of its composition. Just as the

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against 2 editors who don't agree with you. Take a look at this

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Only in your fantasies - where is that written in the articles?

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Either you don't read Polish or you are deliberately misleading.

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If I can I always use English sources first and foremost. Also

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On the emergence of Polish language areas in the Vilnius region

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Dragoner-Regiment "Prinz Albrecht von Preußen" (Litthauisches)

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So why didn't you remove them like you removed the Lithuanian

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This sentence is pretty much "Lithuanian Polish is dying out"

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has to agree with me on that - he wrote it in the article.--

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I don't think "Królewiec" name should be used in the article

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Lithuanian-speaking subjects of the Prussian king served.

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remove untruths and historical nonsense and agenda pushing

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I will cease engaging in ethno-nationalist and homophobic

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Knowledge:Sockpuppet investigations/78.56.247.147/Archive

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which covers a similar topic as the one proposed by you.

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The Home Army was a colonial army, rearmed by the Germans

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was a linguist-historian, (passes in 2018) professor at

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Turska, Halina (1930). "Język polski na Wileńsczyzne".

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Okay folks. Please try to find a middle ground here. @

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in Poland, that Polonism began flowing into Lithuanian

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I also don't deny that I take up controversial topics

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They are mostly descended from Slavicized Lithuanians

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to speak Lithuanian although they know the language (

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That is what I wrote about in the talk page section

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Category:Lithuanian units of the Royal Prussian Army

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Nr. 1 translate to something other than Lithuanian?

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