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Independent of the merger proposal, I think this article should be renamed. Considering that we use
Palestinian Region to discuss the historical aspect, I think we should use something along this line. When people use Palestine, they use modern day Palestine. When we link on Knowledge to Palestinian
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An encyclopedia is not like planting your flag on the moon, that was the ways of the empires ("I came first and took possession in the name of His
Majesty, King Mineisthebest"), not of knowledge and encyclopedias. Activists of all nations, go home! Take a nap. A long one.
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How about instead we split off all the
Historic information in both articles off in to a separate article Wine of historic Palestine. Limiting all mention in the Israeli wine and Palestinian wine to necessary inclusion where a winery exists in modern
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I forgot what you named it above, I was actually shooting for that. Basically instead of fighting to give to give this precedence to either Modern Israel or
Palestine, give it to neither. It's history that correlates to but exists before both modern
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I believe the argument was that this somehow delegitimizes Israel. Never the less, forget about precedence. The meat of the actual argument is that modern
Palestine and Israel (post-1948) are separate and uniquely different from the (pre-1948)
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could be a section here, but it is better as a separate article. The possibility of merging was discussed at length in the delete discussion and not accepted. There is no case for having the same argument all over again so soon.
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It's a historic region. The 1948 separation of
Palestine and Israel did happen. I'm not sure it would be best to label Taybeh wine as wine of the Palestine (region). Perhaps we should look into renaming the subsections
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Palestine (region) so this is what the article name should be, otherwise it is in my opinion a POV article name, which should be fairly obvious since it was written by Chesdovi who readily admits to it.
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Silly proposal. Which other wine article has such a title? SJ's concern about the word
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