Talk:Pikes Peak - Knowledge

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in use in this country are actually defined in terms of metric base units. This is not a personal attack on anyone who still uses Imperial units in their daily lives, but the fact of the matter is that metric units are the basis of measurement across the globe... including the US. I certainly agree that traditional units should still co-exist for the time being next to metric units for backward-compatibility, but in the area of factual reference, metric should prevail. Knowledge is an international resource, and it makes sense that the default form of measurement should be SI. The Knowledge guidelines do not take a hard stance on this one way or the other, but do state that metric units should be utilized as primary units unless there is a compelling reason not to utilize them. As a citizen of the US, you use metric all the time... and you're using it more and more often each day. Metric is not something to be feared, it’s all around us, and not at all hard to use. If you estimate the size of an object, you may do it in inches, but the truth is that often times it is probably made to metric specifications. People fear change, this is natural, but that doesn’t mean that we should stop evolving. EnsRedShirt's name indicates that they are a fellow trekkie ("trekker", if you prefer), so you are probably a pretty forward-looking person. If you want to look at it from this standpoint, it only makes sense that we should help people get even more used to using metric in their daily lives. For our “growth” as a people, it only makes sense that we should use a rational and internationally agreed-upon system of measure. The longer we bicker and fight about this inevitable change, the more time we waste. I believe that this change is warranted, and in reality, required. A focus on promoting metric measures will help promote our favorite knowledgebase as a viable and credible resource for professionals around the world.

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the metrication process in this country has taken far longer than it should, but don't believe for a second that it will always be that way. But, also think of it this way: On Knowledge, we go out of our way to try and make sure that articles do not have a cultural/national bias. We like our information to be objective and balanced. When you time-stamped your post, you used UTC. Metric measures are no less "valid" than Imperial ones... they are perfectly acceptable for use in the U.S.... and widely understood around the world. Imperial units should be presented as well for the time being for the small percentage of the world-wide audience that might not yet be comfortable with metric. I believe that as an international resource, we should be giving preference to metric measures... but it does seem that I am out-voted for the time being.

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sure how to edit the article to correct the error. Perhaps the best solution is to simply remove the statement that says the Pike expedition was the first to see Pikes Peak. Or maybe change it to read something like: "Zebulon Pike was the first to popularize the existence of Pikes Peak by writing about it extensively in his journal, including his attempt to climb it." One source says, "His written description of the mountain that would later bear his name was perhaps the first printed in the English language" — Leah Davis Witherow, "Marketing the Mountain: Pikes Peak in the Popular Imagination".

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the air pressure itself, the number of molecules (of both oxygen and nitrogen) per given volume, which drops as altitude increases. Consequently, the available amount of oxygen to sustain mental and physical alertness decreases above 10,000 feet (3,000 m). Although the cabin altitude in modern passenger aircraft is kept to 8,000 feet (2,400 m) or lower, some passengers on long-haul flights may experience some symptoms of altitude sickness.

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ascended to its pinical. This with the condition of my soldiers who had only light overalls on, and no stockings, and every way ill provided to endure the inclemency of the region; the bad prospect of killing any thing to subsist on, with the further detention of two or three days, which it must occasion, determined us to return.

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I suspect that the 1978 Colorado state law prohibiting the use of "Pike's Peak" is actually an urban legend. I was confirming this 'fact' and contacted two of the Pikes Peak tourists organizations. One scanned the 384 laws passed in Colorado in 1978 and could not find it. The other is an expert on

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changed the phrase in the lead from "rises 8,400 feet (2,600 m) above the city of Colorado Springs" to 8,500 feet (2,600 m) with the edit summary of "Lowest point in Colorado Springs area is 5,600 feet, about 20 miles southeast of Pikes Peak". I don't know where 67.162.145.28 got their data from, but

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Sure, people in this country (USA) still use traditional units for a lot of things, but the fact of the matter is that since the Mendenhall Order of 1893, metric units have been declared to be the "fundamental standards of length and mass" in the United States. As such, all Imperial units that remain

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According to a Denver Post article in 2002, the United States Geological Survey recalculated the height of Colorado. They state that Pikes Peak gained five feet and is now 14,115 feet in height. Can someone verify this? I was going to change this in the article, but I'd like to have some verification

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The summit of the Grand Peak, which was entirely bare of vegetation and covered with snow, now appeared at the distance of 15 or 16 miles from us, and as high again as what we had ascended, and would have taken a whole day's march to have arrived at its base, when I believed no human being could have

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Zebulon Pike and members of his expedition were undoubtedly NOT the first "non-native" to see Pike's Peak. Spanish and French had been in and out of Colorado for 80 to 140 years before Pike. Probably the first non-native to see Pikes Peak are undocumented, forgotten souls. However there are many who

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thought those pics were orphans; I myself lost several and had to re-upload because the one page they were used on had been emptied, and they were marked as orphans before the page was restored. (Yes, I said a few bad words when I discovered that one!) In this case, I don't see vandalism in the time

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section. The first is the poor image of the Visitor Center which is seen from the side, through a fence line and from a distance. The best images of such places are the main entrance with signage. The second image isn't really necessary as there is already another in the article that references the

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From the article: "Conditions at the top are, for the most part, not hospitable." They're joking, right? The human body easily adapts to the thin air; snow hasn't seemed to stop humans - ask somebody from Wisconsin; lightening... ask somebody from Florida; low summer temps "rarely higher than 40

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In the infobox, the first ascent is credited outright to Edwin James and his party. Later, in the text, we describe James only as "the first European to climb the peak." But he wasn't European, was he? He was American. I assume that what we mean is that he was the first European-American (i.e., the

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As a matter of fact, I would use metric to denote the distance. I think it's a common misconception that "America doesn't use metric". Metric is all around us every day. I think that people believe that America will always use the imperial system... this is not the case. Due to a number of factors,

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Can anyone confirm the 'Wilson rode along' fact? For I have found a number of online sources noting that he was (none, I believe, are reputable to make it definitive, though). I wouldn't be surprised that it was just a matter of awkward wording/reasoning: like 'Woodrow Wilson rode along. Woodrow

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The causes of altitude sickness are not fully understood. The percentage of oxygen in air, at 21%, remains almost unchanged up to 70,000 feet (21,000 m). The RMS velocities of diatomic nitrogen and oxygen are very similar and thus no change occurs in the ratio of oxygen to nitrogen. However, it is

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Even in Pike's own journal there are references to those that preceded him in traveling across the plains, that he met in Santa Fe. Baptiste La Lande left Kaskaskia, IL in 1804. James Pursley arrived in Santa Fe June 1805. This is my first message posted to Knowledge. I am a total newbie. I am not

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I am all in favor of metrics it just plain makes more sense, but, the primary unit of elevation measurment in the U.S. and Colorado in particular is imperial. Most people reading this article are going to be Americans. The primary numbers should be in the system used by the country, and any other

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I've actually got it at 14,118 based on a high-accuracy GPS transponder that I just took up to the summit. I'm looking for comfirmation, but I was told (by Summit House) that the new "official" height is at 14,117, and I believe that this was performed by CC students using the same method that I

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The United States Board on Geographic Names determines official federal nomenclature for the United States. Most often, actual American usage follows it, even in such points as the omission of apostrophes, as in St. Marys River. However, if colloquial usage does differ, we should prefer actual

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YES, I can verify that the new official height is 14,115 feet. (Although, an article in the Colorado Springs Gazette said it was currently too expensive to change the USGS maps.) The new elevation was measured by the National Geodetic Survey. See for yourself by checking out PID JK1242 in the

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No mention that Pikes Peak is a significant fourteener for at least one very big reason: it's the only fourteener in the vicinity. From the top of the Peak, you can gaze in any direction for an unobstructed view. There are other fourteeners in Colorado, but they're in the vicinity of other

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of the United States, but they do not say which one. Furthermore, even within a National Forest, the ownership of the land is not monolithic, and I am sure that in the case of Pikes Peak, this is true. I have read elsewhere that the road to that top of the mountain is owned by the

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on October 2, 1919, while he was president. Edith, his wife, actually ran the presidency for several months in collusion with cabinet members. After leaving the White House, he was in frail health until his death in 1924, so he most certainly didn't "ride along" as "former

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preceded Pike that we do know about. These are a few... 1660s. Juan Archuleta. 1706. Juan de Ulibarri. 1714. Joseph Naranjo. 1720. Don Pedro de Villasur. 1739. Pierre and Paul Mallet. (first recorded French explorers, but there were other French probably as early as 1719).

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covers this: "If for some reason the choice of units is arbitrary, choose SI units as the main unit, with other units in parentheses. For subjects dealing with the United States, it might be more appropriate to use U.S. measurements first, i.e. mile, foot, U.S. gallon."

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The USGS 15' topo map shows a bench mark at 6008 ft next to the post office. The map is from 1951 so a bit dated, but doubt the elevation has changed much (newer surveys ... might vary a bit). Anyway should just say 6000 ft for a difference of 8000 ft. Made the change.

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You got it exactly backward, anonymous user 98.81.9.253. Imperial units today are derived units, and they are defined in terms of the governing metric standards. 1 inch = 25.4 mm, exactly. The reciprocal of 25.4 is 0.0393700787401574803149606299212598425196..., not

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You didn't give them a free license originally, then later somebody added a standard "fairuse" tag. We've been cracking down on fair use images more recently, which includes deleting orphans (can't be fair use without being used!). It's not clear why

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What was the name of the alleged ski resort at its summit? I know of the restaurant that used to be at the top (which no longer operates and is now the gift shop)--which isn't mentioned either--but I've never heard of a ski resort at the top except

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It's always seemed improbable to me that Pike would have said this. Rather, his claim should be seen in the context foul weather, tired men unprepared for such an excursion, and a mission with other more important objectives yet to complete.

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The first link doesn't prove anything; the second link is dead. Frequency of "hits" on Google is worthless; all it may prove is that there are lots of semi-literate people writing on the Web who don't know the rules of punctuation and

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is about article content, not styling. We routinely have to consult and analyze sources in discussions like this one, and we've done so with n-gram stats (see mine section below, which has more complete stats than what you showed).

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reliable sources, not official names declared by governments, and we should mostly disregard government sources that prescribe spellings based more on policy and politics than on common usage. The peak was named after a single Pike

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I've always felt this was a stretch of the truth and somewhat demeans the memory of Lieutenanant Pike in light of today's easy access to the top. I'll hold off any edits to this effect until I see if I get contrary opinions here.

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On the Pikes Peak Highway, someone might want to check into this. In a recent program on the Travel Channel, a spokesman for the City of Colorado Springs stated the city was going to pave the road all the way up the mountain.

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to reflect the "other" hiking route starting at the Crags Campground. It's just plain wrong that there are only three routes to the top. Ironically, I've climbed that route two or three times, but I have yet to set foot on the

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deg" is just plain wrong - I work there! Along with about 30 others from Manitou and Colo Sprgs. It gets into the 60s quite often. I think someone's making a mountain out of a molehill. 07:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

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states the lowest point in Colorado Springs is 5,740 ft. I don't really want to quibble, but since the elevation of the city isn't uniform--it goes from 5,740' to 7,200'--I suggest we split the difference and state:

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and make the changes yourself, but I'm rather poor at researching this type of information. If any other editors have a talent for this type of research, please add it. I, for one, would be extremely grateful! : ) —

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period when TheCoffee marked them as orphans, so I think maybe he was being too hasty/sloppy (or perhaps the db server lied about the linkage, as it sometimes does). We now have a 7-day waiting period in

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Depends entirely on how you define "percentage". If you define it as percentage of total air, then the statement is incorrect. However, as written, the statement says it has 60 percent of the oxygen

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To my mind, the recently added cultural reference is too trivial for inclusion in the article. It is an offhand line in a movie having nothing to do with Pikes Peak. I don't think that it belongs.

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first "white man") to make the ascent. Is there evidence for prior ascents by Native Americans? If so, that should be made clear. If not, let's describe James as the person who made the first

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Any argument that this act is justification for forcing a conversion to metric units for U.S. Knowledge pages is, in my opinion, weak to the point of overreaching. At any rate, the Knowledge

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It's not clear what you're asking for. It is easy to find lots of reliable sources doing it each way. It you're looking for stats, the n-grams link I gave immediately above has some.

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for Pikes Peak - based on Google search results, Pikes Peak (no apostrophe) appears to be the most common name; it is also certainly the official name. No opinion on the other moves.

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Neither you nor any other supporter citing common name has shared a modicum of evidence to back up that point. Time to put up or shut up. The rest of your argument is simply

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They are plentiful. Did you want me to cherry pick some for you to look at? Apparently Hike395 found a few hundred in the New York Times and Washington Post (see below).

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used. Maybe give USGS a shout? ~Aesop PS: I changed this and also changed age based on UCCS findings. Will post verification in two days. (When I can access it again)

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The accuracy of GPS is worst in elevation, and unless you average several hundred readings, is rather poor in lateral position as well, unless augmented by a GPS

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Related to the above, why is there no mention of the now-defunct restaurant? Though I've lived in this area for some time, information on it is hard to come by.

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to move for the others. There is consensus against moving Pikes Peak but the other entries would benefit from a look at evidence specifically related to them.

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ascent. Certainly Pikes is non-technical enough that any number of people could feasibly have climbed it in the millennia leading up to James's ascent.

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per nom. And let's take a closer look at those n-gram stats that Calidum truncated at year 2000, because around 2008 the apostrophe wins again.

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Wilson is now a former president. Therefore, former president Woodrow Wilson rode along.' I.e. not that at the time he was former president. --

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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and basic English grammar correctness. These places are all clearly meant to have a possessive apostrophe, and not simply a plural "S".

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Both can't be the highest. You say Mt Evans is 14271 and Pikes Peak 14115 and say both are "highest" in the Front Range. thx -pf-

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citing the National Elevation Dataset is interesting. I had not seen it before. However, its 1978 data is ten years older than the

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This article, as of today, say not one word on this subject. I do see in other Knowledge articles that Pikes Peak is located in a

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systems should be secondary. You wouldn't put the distance of two point in the US (or UK) in KM as the primary would you?

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.

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Pikes Peak only per Hike395. All official sources use "Pikes Peak", too. The others, I have no problem with moving. ···

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As noted, the National Geodetic Survey's data sheet lists 4,302.31 m, 14,115.2' - but the U.S. Geographical Survey's

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states that "The metric system is the official legally preferred system of units for the United States of America".

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fourteeners, so from their summits you can see some, but a lot of the view is blocked by other large mountains.

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I live at the base of Pike's Peak (okay, I live in Colorado Springs) and I've noticed some glaring omissions:

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It is very nice that all of the units that are used in electricity and magnetism are always S.I. units:

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Lots of you miss the entire point of the laws, executive orders, etc., regarding the the Metric System (

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Pikes Peak and he refuted it. I suggest that this be removed unless someone can provide a reference.

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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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of oxygen at 14,000 feet is 60% of that at sea level. I've rewritten the sentence accordingly. —

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This seems to refute the claim that it would take 12 hours to boil an egg at the summmit:

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I suspect that those statistics are unduly influenced by the government policy, and that

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If no one has a problem with this, I'll make the change in the next few days. Discuss. —

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The majority of the data points to "Pikes Peak" as being the more common current name. —

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Pikes Peak today - The thin air contains only 60% of the oxygen available at sea level.

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Last edited at 08:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC). Substituted at 03:02, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for the prompt reply, Stan. I actually just figured out what happened thanks to

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Closing this issue out for now. I'll get around to re-uploading my images sometime.

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The air at a 14,115 ft has the exact same percentage of oxygen at sea level.

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The wording of the sentence is misleading and technically incorrect. The

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https://edits.nationalmap.gov/apps/gaz-domestic/public/search/names/204770

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The hill climb event should really be at least mentioned in the article

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C-Class National Register of Historic Places articles of High-importance

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per nom. In all these cases, the common name includes the apostrophe.

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is the relevant guideline. Following the advice there, I've checked:

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So, the grammatical soundness and etymological derivation are simply

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articles both use an elevation of 14,115 feet and cite USGS sources.

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of the Pike document from which this claim almost certainly comes:

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For sure. What fact are you looking for a reliable source for?

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when I believed no human being could have ascended to its pinical

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High-importance National Register of Historic Places articles

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In case anybody wants to argue the apostrophe, please review

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We need a web searcher that looks for punctuation symbols.

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cog trains leaving the summit of Pikes Peak (October 2006).

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Did Zeb really say nobody had ever or could ever climb it?

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7,600 feet (2,300 m) above the city of Colorado Springs."

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