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I'm not completely sure on how this is decided, but how many people would type in Randy
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They were certainly "unusual incidents" just like the bird incident of 2001 and the cameraman incident of the 2004-05 offseason. I did provide some sources from retrosheet.org. It included boxscores which clearly states on the play-by-play accounts and it gives discriptions of the incidents (written
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people say he would've won the Cy Young Award if he would've went to New York. So.. Arizona's getting "screwed" out of the best pitcher in baseball because the people who pick the Award winners picked the old guy who "screwed" over his former team while "retiring?" What a bunch of screwing.
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