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I added (I think), a thorough explanation of the contract dispute, and it should be clear now what happened. Also, changed word in the
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This still isn't really clear, maybe I didn't express myself well. You say "Ferrell suspected that he was being unfairly held in the minor leagues, a common practice at the time,", but why would he be getting held in the minor leagues at all? And why would he suspect this is unfair? My guess is that
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The article is very well written. It's quite dense with jargon and statistics, which is both common and hard to avoid in sports articles. It's written quite well however and I did enjoy reading it. If I did have a recommendation it would be for a little more discussion or commentary on his
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I haven't found any close-paraphrasing problems to worry about. You may want to check some of your sources, that they fully verify the statements they reference. , and for example. 3/8 is probably a little worrying. I may come back and check more references in the next day or two.
1232:"Ferrell missed his only opportunity to play in the World Series by one year." -- I'm not sure this is appropriate to say. Yes his old team made the World Series, but to assume they would have made it with him in the team seems a jump. I'd recommend removing this sentence.
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1208:" The Senators would release his brother Wes in August 1938." a lot of people don't like the construction "would" used like this, could I suggest " The Senators released his brother Wes in August 1938."
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