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Wollongong. Two overlapping regions are the result. Using the ABS SD definition has the unfortunate side-effect of making the
Illawarra utterly unrecognisable to a local (making the Illawarra extend almost all the way to Bateman's Bay is so far from common usage that it becomes another classic Knowledge failure). The article needs a note added at the top that tells non-locals that the Wollongong entity being discussed is an artefact of Knowledge and the ABS statistical collection structure and does not reflect common usage. That way the article can go on existing, which I understand is important to the author, but makes it less misleading to the poor souls who stumble over it.
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1. From "woolyunyah or five islands" 2. "Hard ground near the water" 3. See, the monster comes! This was an expression of fear when the
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arts - hi I would like to contribute an article on the arts in wollongong - dispersing the myth that this is a cultural "desert" - I put some stuff up a while ago - but it got taken down - im not sure why? i'm new to wiki - so i found it hard to include an arts section ! im not sure it even worked
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Just a question. Why are the images fair-use? Why I ask this is that if it's for reasons that you just want to keep the copyright then the images can't be used as it can be classed as a "replaceable" image were as some logo's, old photos of buildings that no longer exist (For images post: 1955) ect
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Wollongong has a quasi-selective (it's a feeder school, but only takes selective out of area enrolments) sports high school - Illawarra Sports High. It's located in
Berkeley and was established in 1958 (as Berkeley High School, became Berkeley Sports High in 1996 and Illawarra Sports High in 1998).
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article (a metropolitan city in the usual geographic sense, that happens to be administered by multiple LGAs). I would suggest that in this sense "Wollongong" is just like "Sydney" in that common usage refers to the entire metropolitan area, while one of the LGAs comprising the metropolitan city
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article, this article, referring to
Wollongong City LGA, Shellharbour City LGA amd Kiama Municipal LGA, and the Illawarra article referring to Wollongong, Shellharbour, Kiama and Shoalhaven LGAs. A fair bit of overlap there, and as I said, confusion in this unusual use of the Wollongong name.
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regional article, and unfortunately it even contains a definition for the
Wollongong Metro Area which is different to the one in this article, that it is defines the Wollongong Metro area as the same as the Wollongong City LGA area. It defines the Illawarra to include one more LGA, namely the
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Wollongong is to Wollongong city, the greater Wollongong usage of this page is obscure. This is demonstrated by the references to Wollongong in other Knowledge articles, all tourism references and general web references. It is also apparent from the content of this
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Wollongong is believed to mean "seas of the South", then it must have been named that by Europeans, not the local Aborigines. They would not have had the same concept of south, and if they did, at that time the south coast of New South Wales would have been the south coast of Australia.
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1204:. I seem to recall going through a couple of local history books in the Wollonong Library ten years ago... can't remember if there was one specifically on local place name origins or if it was just a section of one, but I certainly don't recall anything of that nature.
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which covers only part of the metropolitan area, and I would therefore advise against using this flag as it is not representative of the city as a whole. I went looking for it on the council website, and oddly I could not find it there either.
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By age group, the medians are $ 40-$ 79 (15-19), $ 300-$ 399 (20-24), $ 500-$ 599 (25-34, 35-44, 45-54), $ 200-$ 299 (55-64, 65-74, 75+). Keep in mind that employment rates will be having an impact here. --
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Aboriginals under the picture of the Aboriginal dancers, thats wrong, Aboriginal is the adjective, so it should say Aboriginal dancers, or Aborigines, which is the noun. so im going to change it.
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understand that this could be true of 15-18 year olds, perhaps, but that equates to a yearly salary of $ ~15000-20000 a year, WELL below the national average. Are Wollongonians (?) really that underpaid?
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The general concensus as to the meaning of Wollongong is that it is "Sound (or Song) of the Sea". Im going to remove the other bit.
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I think the reference to Wollongong Warriors being a Quidditch team is mentioned in the book "Quidditch Through the Ages"
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