Talk:Walt Disney World/Archive 3

2826:– I'm not convinced it should be merged. For one, we don't have any agreement on which article it should be merged with. Second, there are non-primary sources cited in the article (although really there should be more). And finally, the length of the article means it would be a difficult merge into an already lengthy article. Length is one of the primary reasons subjects like this are split off, and any merger would mean trimming a lot of this down in the process. It's possible that much of the information is extraneous and can be trimmed, but I haven't seen that specifically discussed here, and it's definitely a big concern that needs to be addressed. -- 1686:), there were an estimated 1,216 homeless households with children in the county in which Disney World is located. Some of those 1,216 homeless households have both parents unemployed. Some have one parent working. Some have both working. Some, it is possible, might work for Disney World. Others might work for McDonald's. Others might be running a meth lab. To say there are up to 1,216 working for Disney is absurd - the actual article doesn't tell us how many work for Disney. 31: 563:, but that is a different facility and thus a different article. I would counter that renaming this Disney World would get in the way of a future article about the Disney World concept, before it became Walt Disney World soon after Walt's death. If a spirited user, such as Jclavet, were to come along and want to write an article about the Disney World concept, he could not without starting yet another move request. -- 2974: 478:

World". However, after Walt's untimely death, his brother Roy renamed the project "Walt Disney World" in his memory and insisted that it be called this. Many stories tell of Roy angrily reacting to various Disney employees referring to the project as merely "Disney World". "Disney World" is not what exists in Florida today, and is in fact, very different from the "Walt Disney World Resort".

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replacement). The language is biased and comes from the media and their advocacy - we're supposed to be a neutral encyclopedia. (IT workers are not "forced" to train their replacements. They can leave any time they want to. My employer does not "force" me to do my job - if I don't like it, I can leave. This isn't 100 years ago when you were chained to a sewing machine.) --

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not the Eastern counterpart to Disneyland, although you might say it is the Eastern counterpart to the Disneyland Resort. Had you had read my explanation above regarding the origins of its name, you might understand "why one is one word and one is two". And lastly, the two names and how "they sound alike when spoken" has absolutely nothing to do with this proposed page move. —

1678:) says that starting pay at Disney World was $ 8.03/hour. Minimum wage in Florida in 2014 was $ 7.93. (Subsequent to this article, Florida minimum wage has gone up to $ 8.05 and Disney's minimum pay has gone up to $ 10/hour.) So it's completely false to say "Many of the employees at Disney World are paid minimum wage" - that is not true now and was not true in 2014. 3058: 3017: 2046: 3184:. Now while I don't have access to view pages 68-70 referenced in the citation, on page 6 in a preview on Amazon, it actually states, "...the planning team had 27,443 acres at its disposal, compared to Disneyland's original 160 acres". I know this doesn't help with determining the current size, but 30,500 sounds inflated. -- 3158:". This only says that it was 25,000 acres when the park first opened in 1971; I think the Disney company must have sold some land since then. I am not sure how to re-word as the source does not say that the land was sold, but it also does not say that it's still 25,000 acres even today (40 years after the resort opened). 1761:

trained their foreign replacements. Both of these appear to be an attempt to link Disney to a hot button issue, and that is just one reason why they should be removed. The other reason these items were removed was because these additions do not represent a unique situation that is occurring just at Disney.

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Hello, I agree with your statement. Using words which note a biased view such as something being "forced" is not something which an encyclopedia should contain. Additionally, when looking on the section of Employment, it seems that there is no proof from the cited page Hospitality Online stating that

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KurtFF8 - do you have an example of how other company/location/business pages incorporated information about union items into their articles? Do you have enough material to write a complete encyclopedic union-related article about Disney in entirety (rather than focused strictly on WDW)? I encourage

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You have just made a great point for the opposition. People talk about "Disney World" all the time without even realizing what it is. First off, Walt Disney World is not a park. It is a recreational resort with numerous theme parks, resort hotels, and other entertainment centers. Walt Disney World is

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Actually, Jclavet brings up a very good point that again proves this renaming won't work. The original concept for the Florida property was indeed named Disney World, and was called that by Walt himself. However, the facility in place now is properly called "Walt Disney World". Because it diverged so

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Looks like no one else has a strong opinion on this matter. So, it comes down to me and you either reaching a compromise, or reverting each other. Since I added the information first, it means you would cross the 3RR threshold first, so I win if I choose to continue. So far, I choose to continue.

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And the claim that there are "up to 1,216 families of Disney employees are living in budget hotels" is positively absurd. That's kinda like saying, "Person XYZ has murdered up to 10 billion people." Actually, he has murdered zero people, but zero is a number that is up to 10 billion. According to

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As Wikipedians, we have the responsibility to provide the most accurate information we can. Renaming an article simply because there are many people who refer to its topic by the improper name is not upholding that responsibility. I could support a proposal to rename the article "Walt Disney World",

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The article states "The property covers nearly 25,000 acres" but I measured it on Acme Planimeter and I find only around 17,000 acres. There may have been some small differences in borders compared to the outline I drew but I don't think it will be so massive as to account for a difference of 8,000

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If you actually read the article, it doesn't have a thing in this world to do with Disney other than that Disney is a big employer in the area. The article does not say that there are Disney employees living in hotels, nor even if there is a SINGLE BLESSED ONE. It would be nice to read the source

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of the history of the theme park attractions, building expansions, etc. For example, to include minor details of particular park expansions and not include something about the people who operate and built the said parks doesn't seem to make sense to me. It's not just a case of POV pushing, as there

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First, that's a red herring since Brittanica's article naming standards have always differed from Knowledge's, and, in particular, generally prioritize official names over commonly used names more often that we do. Second, the notion of avoiding the most commonly used name because it "sounds sounds

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which I think is relevant in the current state of the world with COVID-19 which is making it hard to predict things like when the parks will reopen, We're not crystal ball and neither do we have one and including an opening date makes it look like that we have one, I believe that we should not and

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here. They also banned lots of costumes and the ability to bring weapons up to the main entrance & then check them with guest relations. However, that's not encyclopedic either. If we add every time that a policy change is made, it will muck up the history of the resort too much. The fact that

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It's no secret that Disney hires a number of workers at minimum wage, as do many other businesses around the country for entry-level and minimum-skill positions, and I would also surmise that a number of them will find themselves without affordable housing. While unfortunate and in need of change,

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KurtFF8 - is your concern that there is no discussion of Union on an encyclopedic Walt Disney World article, or that there is no talk of Disney on an article about Unions? No doubt that there are news articles about union/Disney relationships - the question is how does it fit in here as part of an

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Current sources are saying that Disney World reopen on April 9th but I think that could get extended so until we have some further confirmation closer to April 9 I believe that we should just say " closed until further notice" in case we get a new date closer to April 9, (or the announced opening

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SpikeJones, my concern is essentially the above: there is a strange omission of labor disputes in the history of this park. I think that it is just as an important part of the history of Disney World as facts about property taxes and district zoning (which is present in the history section at the

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Lots of companies have had disputes with their labor unions. And I daresay that Florida itself would contest your statement that WDW is a "major part of Florida's prominence", since Florida had been a tourist destination and a desirable place to live and work for decades before Uncle Walt came to

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I strongly oppose this proposed move. "Disney World" is the name of the original concept for Disney's Florida property. What came to fruition and what we see today is irrefutably the "Walt Disney World Resort". Walt Disney designed the original concept for the Florida Project and named it "Disney

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Walt Disney World, such as the ones cited in this article, you will find that the current title, and simply "Walt Disney World", are both far more commonly present in such sources than not. Furthermore, COMMONNAME is not our only criterion. We also strive to be accurate and consistent with our

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Two items were added recently to the Employment section of the article, one saying many employees make minimum wage and are forced to live in nearby motels as there are apparently no shelters in the immediate area, and the other was a story about how employees were laid off, but after they had

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We really need to start getting away from this trend of using official names for article titles. It's not only getting out if hand but it's becoming absurd. "Disney World" is a very common usage for the park and not a made up name. Knowledge articles use the common name of lots of trademarked

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I'm cool with mentioning the presence of a union; go further and make sure the union is named and cited (of course). As to disputes, those are very common within any organization with a union workforce. Anything notable in that regard that would demand inclusion? For example, take a look at

1927:) occurred in one of its parks. That's where coverage of a news story would indeed be warranted, as it is very unique to SeaWorld. If someone could explain why these stories are unique to Disney, I'd be more agreeable to having the information remain in the article. Without that, it fails 1954:

I don't think this should be included because it's not unique to Disney World and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article (everyone's minimum wage workers struggle if they are raising a family on it, every big company has had laid off people in the unenviable position of training their

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is not actually on Disney owned property. It was a piece of land Disney was unable to buy and it was eventually sold to another developer and developed into the resort. This is distinct from other genuine on-site non-Disney hotels where Disney owns the land and leases it to other

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Because Earlier in the morning, Disney Theme Parks had officially banned Selfie Sticks. Because the sign says "Handheld camera/cell phone extension poles, such as selfie sticks, are prohibited Theme Parks, Water Parks, and DisneyQuest. For More Information, Please visit Guest

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McDoob, Yes I think that companies that have labor disputes should have those facts included as part of their history. I don't see why the building of a new building/new product line/etc is any more important to understanding the history of a company or workplace than labor

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which shows that we don't use a name simply because it is official. The only other reason sated, the fact that the original name was used for a while, is not even remotely a strong enough reason to dismiss the recent consensus to change to the current name. In short, it's

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might be a better place. I think that security operation is more important and more likely cover at the parks given the amount of people that go there. Since, Parks and Resorts included the two Resorts plus the cruise line, off resort Vacation Club locations and more.

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Yeah I think that a new section wouldn't make sense considering there's an employment section. I was thinking at least adding a sentence or two that the employees are a part of a union and that there have been various disputes between the union and the company.

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How do you define "strong presence"? I have no issue with including mention that a number of the employees at the property are members of a union, and I agree that the "Employment" subhead would be the best place for it instead of its own separate section (per

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Exactally, while some who did object wanted to keep the old title most of them did so because suggested that Walt Disney World was better than Disney World and specifically said that they accepted that name. In the end most user actually supported the current

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acres, as the property is bordered on most sides by known non-Disney property (e.g. the Hyatt Regency Grand Cypress) or some non-Disney public land such as Bear Bay and Cypress Creek Swamp. I checked the source given and the exact quote from that source is "

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Until we reach consensus, which clearly has not happened yet, might I suggest we leave the article as is. Having said that, not sure how a single recent hiring decision, which is a common business practice, warrants inclusion in this (or any) article.

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I would recommend that these edits be added into articles about the minimum wage and about H1-B visas, since these would be examples that would bolster the discussion of those subjects more than it would do so here, where the statements would be giving

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article, where an argument could be made that it's encyclopedic, since that could be seen as opposition to the product. However, as a whole, the banning of selfie sticks isn't really important enough to include in the history of Walt Disney

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you to look bigger in your goals of expanding the fact-based, notable, non-POV, reported by reputable third party, union-related info that is present already on WP rather than be concerned over a perceived missing sentence in this location.

802:: as others have said the phrase Disney World can be misinterpreted as refering to the Magic Kingdom. Thus, an article titled as such would also be confusing. If the page is moved, "Walt Disney World" would be a much better alternative. 709:

That is true ... in a lot of cases, "Disney World" is used to refer to the Magic Kingdom portion of the Walt Disney World complex. For example, someone may say, "We went to Epcot in the morning, then to Disney World for the fireworks".

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I can't seem to replicate the search that you performed to have a factor of 10 difference in results. In a traditional Google search I get ~20% more results from "Walt Disney World" than just "Disney World" (39,800,000 vs. 33,100,000).

2694:. I am unsure of the merit Disney Global Security has as its own page as compared to a piece of the mentioned pages, since the content can be easily explained in the other page(s). This is also missing information about the rest of 1478:

have been multiple newsworthy events when it comes to this question. And if anything, the "Employment" section should at least contain mention of the strong presence of a union, which in Florida makes it an exceptional workplace.

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I believe that no reopening date should be mentioned for the resort because firstly I think this is misinformation if we put one date on there and change the date when we get closer to reopening. The other reason is per

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Disney's not alone and shouldn't be singled out. The same goes for the apparent trend of companies replacing IT workers with foreign replacements, after the soon-to-be-unemployed worker trains the new contract hires.

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policy. I think if you want to oppose this request, you'll have to do one of two things: either argue that "Disney World" is not the common name for the resort, or argue in terms of another policy that can trump

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The Walt Disney Company acquired more than 25,000 acres in Central Florida and after seven years of preparation, including 52 months of construction, the first of four theme parks-Magic Kingdom Park--opened in

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Walt Disney World does employ "more than 70,000 cast members". Perhaps a scholarly resource may be a better reference to use in this case. The Hospitality Online website does not seem to be a reliable source.

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case. Common usage refers to this park in a parallel manner to its western counterpart: there's Disneyland and Disney World (I don't know why one is one word and one is two, but they sound alike when spoken).

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significantly from the "Disney World" concept that they really are two different entities. For a related example, please see that we have two articles related to what was often called Walt's last dream: the

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Well that's what I initially thought based on Spshu's comment, but the article says they're responsible for security at the company's other facilities in addition to the resort complexes and cruise ships.

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if it was determined here that a renaming absolutely needs to take place, but dropping "Walt" from the article title completely is not only inaccurate, but also a slight to the memory of both Walt and Roy.

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I agree, doubly since it was in a list of on-site resorts. Since it and two other beach resorts are not on the WDW campus—or in the cause of Aulani, not even on the same continent—I've removed all three.

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I went ahead and added the following public information (per your request) about safety related closures into the timeline, to ensure the article remains concise while remaining pertinent and up-to-date

423:) and certainly universally recognizable, yes? So the preference for the more formal "Walt Disney World" is because it's more official or encyclopedic looking? But that is not called for by any of our 1671:, that people are edit warring over? (The first half, about IT outsourcing, is discussed above. I'm talking about the second half, about Disney's homeless minimum wage employees living in hotels. 293:, though I would support "Walt Disney World". To those familiar with the topic, the bare "Disney World" name sounds amateurish and non-professional. It does not make for an encyclopedic tone. (cf. 1923:

did a number on them, warranted or otherwise, primarily because the animal in question currently resides at one of the company's parks, and its most recent incident (the one that all but inspired

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but I support the current Walt Disney World title without "Resort," because locals and cast members refer the the Walt Disney World Resort as Walt Disney World, and in writing we abbreviate it as

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I apologize if I come off too strongly, but I hold the memory of Walt Disney too near to my heart to comply in the removal of his association from what became of his final dream. Respectfully, —

2616:^^^ That is a very good point. Being banned from use is very important in the history of the selfie stick itself, but not very important in the history of the places that have banned it. -- 1265:

Lots of employers have union workers. What makes Walt Disney World unique in that respect? Some form of notability would be needed to merit inclusion of such information in the article. --

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I've reworded it to say the closure is March 15–present. The source we're citing has Disney's initial announcement, which was through the end of the month. I've buried that in the prose. —

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Well, I went ahead and made the correction. There's some info in the "Location" section that mentions some of that land was annexed/sold, so you may find what you're looking for there. --

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names here isn't the issue. Finally, this isn't a decision to be made based on how much we respect Walt Disney or what he called anything; that's just a complete red herring here. --

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Again, why is this important to the long-term history of the resort? The addition of a park/hotel is notable, and the closing of a park/hotel is notable. How is this notable? --

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its much better that way anyway and it would have had to be changed to until futher notice anyway with the recent announcement of them remaining closed until further notice

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For clarification, 9/11 isn't considered a "closure" since it did not prevent the parks from opening, it only caused it to evacuate (in an impressive 30 minute window).

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titling, and by those measures your proposed title fails spectacularly. Accusing everyone you with whom you disagree of posting JDLI arguments is getting tiresome.

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is the official name of the complex; moving the page to Walt Disney World appeared to have much opposition. Disneyland is titled by its official name, Disneyland

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Yes, that's well-known. However, why is it encyclopedic? How important is it to the long-term history of the parks? Before responding, I would recommend reading

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That would be relevant if "Disney World" was not commonly used to refer to the topic of this article. But it is, and nobody is even arguing to the contrary. --

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appeared over three years ago. Again, this isn't new, and there's no reason to single out Disney unless the intent is to shame them in a high-traffic article.

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does not require us to examine colloquial, conversational usage. It asks us to look at reliable sources, giving more credence to reliable sources that are

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https://wdwnt.com/2020/03/update-orange-county-clarifies-walt-disney-world-cant-open-until-at-least-april-9th-in-reaction-to-public-confusion/

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The claim that "Many of the employees at Disney World are paid minimum wage" isn't even true, according to the source. The Sac Bee article (

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I removed it, simply because the numbers did not add up (fourth, x, third, fourth). Also, the information is on the Magic Kingdom article.

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It seems that this talk page is too long/very dated. As such, I have enabled ClueBot III's sequentially numbered archives for this page.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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i don't understand why aulani resort is mentionned on the walt disney world complex, it's a particular restort nothing to do with it

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Doesn't seem notable based on the sources (both types of self sourcing) and nothing much that pops out as major coverage. Although

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I will say that I don't have other articles in mind as an example, but my original point is that this article in question is quite

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I'm truly baffled by this. There can be no question (is there?) that "Disney World" is more commonly used (by a factor of 10 per

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must not include any dates.I have also seen various new sites report that CM's are not scheduled in past April 1st either:

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Disney World is a major part of Florida's prominence, so disputes with its own employees are significant historically and today

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I agree that it's weird, and as far as Disney Parks articles go, it is kind of an orphan. It also does not seem to be notable.

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does not accurately present the source cited. Good catch B; I should not have accepted it without checking. Live and learn :-(

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Why is Bonnet Creek listed as an *on-site* non-Disney resort? According to the article itself (and various other sources) the

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This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available

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Is there any way that someone could add the closings of the resort due to hurricanes/tropical storms or other major events?

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I changed the number of categories in resorts from five to four due to there only being 4 levels. Minor edit, of an error.

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Thank you for the feedback! I went ahead and updated the above content and the article to ensure clairty for all readers!

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refer to Magic Kingdom as Disney World, but I believe that the way these pages are redirected and referenced in their

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Was just recently moved to this tittle and its common on Knowledge to use the common name. In fact it's a guideline.

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I've now gone back and rewrote the area and combined it with the initial subhead. It contains the key points of the

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https://web.archive.org/20100712154916/http://wdwnews.com:80/viewpressrelease.aspx?pressreleaseid=99849&siteid=1

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edits, since this information would be more useful on the resort-wide page, instead of being featured only on the

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visit. Again, what makes a union dispute with Disney notable compared to other companies with similar issues? --

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Security. This focus on one segment of the company, and the question of merit as its own page lead me to this.

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This is a significant aspect of the workplace and certainly deserves mention at least, if not its own section

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after strikes, or a major disruption in park activities that affects guests), it's just not that notable. --

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page, since the closures affected all four parks, both theme parks, all hotels, and the shopping districts.

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story, properly paraphrased and cited. Let me know if there are still problems that need addressing. --

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Ok, that's fine. Your explanation is enlightening, and could fit very well into the article itself with

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A quick glance of that shows that most of that information is extremely outdated, but thanks anyways.

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Read what you wrote for 1999, then 2004 & 2016. You went fourth, then third, then fourth again.

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According to InsidetheMagic, Disney is no longer use selfie sticks. Now talk a look and see it at

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the topic rather than those that merely mention it in passing. If you actually look at sources

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date) to see if there is another extension to the closure before including it on the page.

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per the last RM; see my comments there. The current title seems like a good one.

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in this case. Reading over your comments, it sounds like you're arguing for the

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since it redirects here, so there is no reason to not use the much more common,

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Why is there no section on the union representation in Disney on this article?

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For an example of what WOULD be a unique situation, look at the problems with

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http://wdwnews.com/viewpressrelease.aspx?pressreleaseid=99849&siteid=1

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after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add

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A merge is fine, but this is not the correct target. It should be

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to something that affects many other companies besides Disney.

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would be a better name and still meet the proper criteria. --

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It seems like some presentation of this is not undue weight.

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