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To do so was to risk attack by wolf packs of children, armed with chains, knives, homemade guns, bludgeons . . . to be hurt at least, robbed most certainly, injured for life probably -- or even killed. This went on for years, right up to the war between the Russo-Anglo-American
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Well that was in the year 2333 – 2279 BC, which means the book is set in the year 3000 AD at least. Now I'll concede that I'd rather trust the book over the publishers blurb, However I left the article at 5000 years in the future untill I found more evidence that stated otherwise (Like why would the
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Greetings, my most excellent friends. Sorry I forgot to log in before editing, But I can assure you it's me. Anyway, I saw the article here and decided it was time to expand it. So I picked up a copy of the book and re-read it. And from the text of the book and conjecture, I used that to write this
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Hi guys, I'm gonna trial "removal of the controversy section", don't worry I've merged all the info from it into the rest of the article. I felt this article should only be about the fictional government, not the controversy surrounding the book that can be found on the book's main page. I'm also
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I finished my proposed rewrite guys, please can we discuss it first if anyone thinks it needs reverting. Most obviously I thinned down the "Military" section, but my mindset when doing this was "make it understandable for people who haven't read the book" as people who have will already know this
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Actually when Juan is talking about how many people there is in the MI, explaining that they all fight. He says the MI are different from the army, in that all MI staff e.g logistics, chefs etc go to the front-line. Thereby implying the 2 are separate. However the recruitment officer who welcomes
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Not to quibble, but the book text supports a date of approx. 2700 AD. And if the "five thousand" was a rounding up from "forty eight hundred" then that would be 2500 AD. (Or if it was a rounding down from "fifty three hundred" then it would be 3000 AD.) So 500 to 1000 years in the future is
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You'll remember that
Neodogs are referred to as being as smart as a human moron in the book, I didn't want to use a more politically correct, up to date term like Learning Disability as the two things are different. And I didn't want to put the word Moron in the article and then someone who
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Well forget it, I don't enjoy these "disputes", especially not over an article that can never stand up to the full scrutiny of
Knowledge policy. Please don't message me about this subject again, I've removed the article from my watchlist.
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My only comment to this is that "The Terror" is probably not what we think of today as terrorism. So I think most of the paragraph in dispute has a reasonable basis but the word "terrorism" probably is not appropriate.
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Juan to the MI (and he specifically says MI) mentions it is part of the army. I would therefore say the Army and the MI share a similar relationship as that of the modern navy and its marine corps.
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Obvious troll?? Dude, take it easy. I just pointed out the evidence according to which I edited the article, and apart from a slight inaccuracy in determining whether or not "Terror" refers to
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Marines should have an electryfing shock when they touch a zergling trying to kill them. Better, init mush, instead of having a 3 tone shield!!!! Luigi Man.. 3 July 2007
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