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Its seems pretty obvious to me that the sources, collectively, are using it to describe the team (or, in a wider sense, the squad) of players who played in that campaign. I'm not sure of the merit in forensically dissecting the precise limits of the term, since it is clearly open to interpretation.
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Seems slightly odd to have this information placed in multiple places based on a nickname, info can also be found on the uefa cup page and the celtic history page (as well as the celtic main page) It might be a suggestion to merge this with the history page adding a reference to the nickname within
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It may be obvious to you what it means, but the sources you provided don't support your view. I'm not surprised you don't see the "merit in forensically dissecting the precise limits of the term", as you supplied the sources which disagree. None of them actually say what the name refers to, so
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tag doesn't do either of those things. A title is but a description, and those sources are the best we have for that particular description. If you think there is a better one or that the focus should change (to what exactly?) then lets have that discussion. What are you proposing instead?
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Yes, an explantion of Bhoys would be appropiate. I do not think this is an appropiate name as the article is about the whole campaign, and surley this name was only applied for the final? Lisbon Lions article is about the team not the campaign.
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