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Polonius, nor Horatio, nor Gertrude, nor Laertes, nor Ophelia, nor even the character Hamlet for that matter. Yes, yes, the "father appearing as a ghost" scene might imply a reference to the play, but that is only IF one's familiarity with Hamlet is merely superficial.
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identified as a hornbill, but there are many species of hornbills and an attempt to narrow which species of hornbill he is was inconclusive). Second, what were the producers of the film assuming with regard to whether a mandrill is a type of baboon, and should that matter more than whether or not a mandrill is a baboon in a strict taxonomic sense? --
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Atkinson) first. So this means that the story is told from Zazu's point of view? He wasn't even there for half of it! Why should this "fact" be included? I propose that Simba (the character with the most scenes, and the focus of the film at that) be first on the list, and Zazu's entry moved down between Scar's and Sarabi's. --
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I think there could be a valuable section on this page about the different languages used in the songs and the names of the characters and places (e.g. Rafiki - friend, Simba - Lion). Does anyone know what language the backing vocals are in? I heard once it was Zulu but I don't know. A translation
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I'm not the person who started this header, but I think it was intended to mention that the names of the characters in The Lion king were derived from Zulu and
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Hamlet's father tells him specifically that his uncle committed murder. Mufasa simply tells Simba that he has lost his way. Simba has no knowledge or suspicion that his father's death is anyone's fault but his own, until the very end of the film. Hamlet spends nearly the entire course of the play
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Sigh. Annoying "comic relief" characters have been standard issue in Disney's animated features for decades. The "wise man" character who serves as the hero's teacher -- I believe Joseph
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Certainly, Kemal AtatĆ¼rk wasn't the only person who ever carried this name. It's a common
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I would like to make two observations here on this question. First, while Rafiki clearly possesses the facial coloration of a mandrill, in other respects such as the tail he more closely matches a baboon, so his exact species is somewhat ambiguous. (He is not the only character like this; Zazu is
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The paragraph that begins "Some believe that a part of a scene was removed from the
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Yeah! That has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything! So what if it was listed in alphabetical order? In movie credits they always either list the characters in order of appearance or aphabetize the characters or actors/actresses! And also Zazu was the first character to be seen (he first appeared
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In the Trivia section it mentions "The phrase "Hakuna Matata" is gramatically incorrect in
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The article states that Rafiki was incorrectly referred to as a baboon, however in the movie when Rafiki is muttering nonsense to Simba and when asked what it means he says: "It means you are a baboon... and I am not!" Although this can be interpreted as a playful fib, he really isn't saying that
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I think most people are in agreement that the writing was meant to read SFX, not SEX (although I would have thought the artists might have thought of the possible mistake and so laboured to make sure that it couldn't be made, rather than leave that extra line there). However, as far as I can see,
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Yes they are in Zulu, composed by Lebo Morake from South Africa who also did "The Power of One" soundtrack. You can find translations of the lyrics all over the web, so long as you know the name of the song. So e.g. the "theme" music (i use this term loosely as its open to interpretation) called
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Tanzania and people say Hakuna Matata all the time! Although in swahili the words are usually the other way around, in this I think it's just a phrase - it's not like we don't have enough of these things in English. So I think this point of 'trivia' is wrong and should be
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I know what all the names mean. "Simba", as the previous person said, does mean "lion" in Swahili. "Mufasa" is a proper name so it doesn't mean anything but the name was reported as the last king of the Bagada people. "Nala" means "gift" in Swahili but do not be confused with the DVD version of
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Hi! Welcome to Knowledge. Your edits are welcomed, but they are conflicting with the edits and opinions of other editors. If you have any evidence to support your claim, please post it. Most editors agree that he is not in the movie series. In the meantime, please stop adding Kopa to this
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Why does it say that the story is told from the POV of Zazu? The author - whoever that was - states that the reason of this comes from the final cast credits. After watching the movie, I had noticed that the credits in question are listed alphabetically by voice actor, thus putting Zazu (Rowan
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XD. I see you. Um, a lot of other Disney musicals have the cast listed in a table. On the other hand, they don't have the additional columns that the table on this page has, and their singer/VA lists are divided. My suggestion is either to split the tables, and put the "Notes" into individual
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Having just read the article I really feel that there should be more on the films MANY similarities both in characters and plotline with Hamlet, I would glady write such a section, though i'm not sure where best to put it as it is only really 'controversial' in that it offers evidence against
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The Hakuna Matata page also says that before the Lion King, a South African band had it as a chorus in one of their songs. Although in the end it was Disney's choice when it came to the movie I doubt that the native speakers would make that grammatical mistake. 04:09, 11 August 2006
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It would be more accurate to keep the picture, and say "the film allegedly enframed the word "sex" into several frames of animation" - to let the viewers make up their own mind. Just my opinionĀ :) ... Hang on - why would someone remove the fact that the scene was removed in the DVD
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Nobody can be oblivious to the fact that anything like "SFX" is extremely close to SEX. Meaning, it was obviously put in on purpose. I think that while the article should note there is no official word on this, it should atleast be generally accepted that it does indeed, say SEX.
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there are no sources or evidence stated that confirm that it was intended to be SFX, so I think the article should use softer language, saying that it was "probably" intended to be SFX, rather than just that it was. (I've also added a link to the relevant Snopes article)
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The other Disney films are all using their original theatrical poster, as it reflects the period of the film's release which is more proper. It's seems weird putting that other poster and not every poster in the infobox has to display all the characters and details.
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Note that i say what/who because the people actually ARE animals, so though in normal human society calling someone a baboon would mean they are not people, in the Lion King's world this would be different. You get the picture. 04:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
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Admittedly, these are harsh examples, and I don't mean to insult anyone's opinion, but these events are each CENTRAL to the play, yet aren't referenced in the film. I'm simply trying to point out how far from each other these two stories actually are.
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On the audio commentary of The Lion King DVD. the directors and writers openly admit that yes this was an original story, but there are parts of Hamlet thrown in there. But on the whole, this story is original with minor similarities to Hamlet.
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Well, Sarafina doesn't technically vanish, as she's seen when Scar is informing the lionesses of Simba and Mufasa's death, and when Simba returns to Pride Rock to fight Scar. But I'll agree with you on the fact that she isn't a key character.
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I was the one who added it. I knew it should be in the article, but I wasn't sure where it belonged. That's why I put it with the other movie that the Lion King was allegedly copied from. Please reinsert it whereever you feel appropriate.
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child actors because of juvenile working time regulations, and I don't imagine that Australia would be any different. Anyway, why shouldn't the Australian cast use Aussie accents? None of the characters is American! Is Disney really
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he's a baboon. Perhaps he was making a more philosophical point that although he literally is NOT a baboon, what/who Simba is can be open to interpretation i.e. the eye of the beholder since he doesn't know what/who he is himself.
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In an attempt to organize this discussion about Kopa and Chaka, please direct further comments to Kopa's talk page for the continuing discussion about Kopa and Chaka. Thank you for your patience and understanding. Cheers.
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The main controversy I remember, besides the Kimba deal, about this film was the allegation that the hyenas were stereotyped versions of African Americans and that Scar was a gay stereotype. It was in the news for a week or
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Proof? Canon says it's Kiara. It wasn't Kiara before Simba's Pride was made, evidently, but I still haven't heard anything about Chaka. Kopa? Yes. "Fluffy", a joke name given to the cub at the end of TLK? Yes. Chaka? No.
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I added a table to the characters section, but I need help making it look good. I don't do too many graphical edits to Knowledge, and would like some help. Do you think the table is even necessary?
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Second it. Other then the somewhat funny part, with Scar playing with a skull, there is not alot of Hamlet stuff. And it would be creepy if any/all of those moents happened in the reall Lion King.
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I just added the Principle players from the Original Broadway Cast, however they really aren't in any order, just the order that IBDB had them. Anyone feel they know what order they should be in?
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And the notion that Timon and Pumbaa are representative of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern is equally without foundation to anyone who has actually studied the play (or even simply watched it).
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I'm sure this isn't the place for wild speculation, but isn't it obvious to anyone else that the 'SEX' cloud is actually 'SEK' as in SEK Studio, referenced in the lower part of the article?
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I remember an old computer game for the pc, i think it was a dos game, 2d platform sort of thing based on the lion king. maybe it was just called the lion king. Is this worth mentioning?
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on the Matter-of-Facts mode of the movie when it incorrectly states that the name "Nala" does not mean anything. So if you want to know what the rest of The Lion King names are, just ask.
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for Australia, that production also uses 4 child actors for both Simba and Nala. So at the very least, the word "The" in "The two child actors" is incorrect. -LarryMcP, 24 Jul 2005
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in a funny way that entered American pop culture? I thought Hakuna Matata was the major thing from the movie that had become popular in the 90's for a while. Did I miss something?
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have an article. Go on something about the movie and look in orange box at the end of the page. Somewhere, there should say something like "Broadway Musical" or "Musical".
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When you write the plot for a musical, it is typical to also put in the songs in parentheses. This tells the reader when a certain song is sung. That's why they are there.--
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