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What about the big changes in Al Nasr, Al Ain, Al Wasl and Al Jazira's pages? Are you sure people like the idea of putting the honour section at the absolute bottom of the page and mixing the rivalry section with history section? People didn't agree with you back when you tried to do it in national
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Gulf, which is the window through which the UAE looks out the world, and equally through which the world views the UAE. He stressed that the
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1939:Requested move 16 December 2017
1835:"UAE Arabian Gulf League 17/18"
1668:and even he voted support. But
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2310:Having seen this pop up at
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