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And this is a updated relevant encyclopedia, maybe a little different than the 100 year old 100 volumes kind that we had 20 years ago. This one is updated after each match, not just after each match day. Your made up scenario full of speculation might not be correct, and I would agree with you if the
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Maybe the very complex calculations you are using as a not routine calculations, I am sure that is why not all these pages have next matchday scenarios. But for both this group right now (and for the group B) it is very routine calculations, very very routine calculations. So putting a tag on a page
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The problem is that while it might be obvious and meaningful, it isn't sourced or reliable (the best example: the scenario now displayed isn't true either), so it can be a source of argument. Another problem: is it relevant? I mean, would you keep the scenario on this page for 10 years? Have you
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I made an edit to correct the dashes to minus signs in the standings for goal difference, and it was removed twice. This should be put back, because in accordance with
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1035:. On this talkpage it would be interesting to have many different editors to contributed to change or make a policy on this subject - a policy needed at most football articles. But for now I am removing this tag. Tagging something that are obsolete in a few hours are not the right use of tags.
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where the contents will be changed in two hours are in my opionon very much overkill and nitpicking. A general debate about when and when not to would be very useful. But not to be put here for the next two hours. It would be a very useful debate at
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I added the color-coded table before the standings table (which appears on the main UEFA Euro 2012 page), and it was removed. I put it back, and it should remain since it is necessary to read the standings table below it.
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