687:, preference for original spelling should govern. "Yoghurt" looks odd to me (of course, because I use AE), but it's common enough that I would favor putting the article there if the original author had done so. I recognize that the move to Yoghurt was done in good faith, not as a sneak attack, but the listing here has obviously attracted more attention. The move should go through if supported by a majority. There's no reason to require a supermajority for reversion of a change that didn't have much support or opposition. JamesMLane 07:41, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
672:. The main objective of any article is to be written in common English, not American English or British English; there's no need to start a fight over that. The simple fact is that "yogurt" is more common than "yoghurt". You should only oppose if you believe that "yoghurt" is the more common term used around the world, not in any particular English speaking country. bernlin2000 ∞ 20:16, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
1608:. One could possibly argue that Ross's actions in changing the name precede the existence of the policy about "first major contributor". I refute that. The article name was changed Dec 25, 2003. I joined Knowledge in Sept of 2001 and the policy about "first spelling is the official spelling" was already in operation back then. (I haven't found direct evidence of it yet, but I know it's in
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The profound wisdom of this rule must be venerated, because it circumvents all discussions of national pride, etymology, cultural imperialism and the inalienable fact that, for the most part, Americans are annoying. (And also have no sense of humour, as will be proved by the people who will take this
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Now, these regional variant spelling disputes are among the oldest and most blood-spattered on
Knowledge. Trying to establish which is "more used" or "more correct" is only asking for pain. Appeals to Google are irrelevant, as are appeals to consensus and any other mechanism you might wish to employ.
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I was aware that others might not agree with my suggestion. That was why I waited a month for people to object or to point out holes in the "absurd argument" before making the move. People (with or without commonsense) had plenty of time to say "That's just your opinion" but no one has until now, two
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This comment was later (Sep 18 2004, May 18 2005) claimed to be a proposal to change the spelling of "yogurt" to "yoghurt" in the article, on the grounds that "yoghurt" is more "phonetically accurate" than "yogurt", and to change the title too. However, only the last sentence in the paragraph comes
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December 10, 2002, written in the U.S. variety of English, by Editor01. The spelling of all words in the article, including "theorized" (not "theorised"), "re-pasteurized" (not "re-pasteurised") as well as "yogurt", are all in accordance with the U.S. English variety of
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The result of the move request was page not moved. There is not enough consensus over the idea of Google tests overriding the regional variant ceasefire. I think this idea should be discussed at a larger scale. Of course, the page name debate for this article can be revisited a while from now, when
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Many people mispronounce Bach as if it should be spelled Bac and likewise many people mispronounce yoghurt as if it should be spelled yogurt. However in neither case does this seem to be a good reason for changing from the traditional spelling despite the fact that, in both cases, many
English
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English in the article was still the
1832:"The insistence of "yoghurt" over "yogurt" smacks of elitism and absolute ignorance. Either there is, as has been pointed out, a considerable anti-American sentiment amongst the editors of this site, or there is a fierce effort by culinary elitists in an attempt to alienate regular people."
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speakers have difficulty in forming the correct consonantal sounds. Some of us can, particularly those of us from Wales, Scotland and
Ireland. I think it would be more phonetically accurate to use the yoghurt spelling in the article since it more closely suggests the proper pronunciation.
1802:) comments on Yngvadottir's revert and comment, suggesting, among other things, that Yngvadottir's revert and comment "reeks of anti-US sentiment". Laplacian54 also suggests that it's the anti-American agenda that is why Yngvadottir watches the page so closely and reverts so quickly.
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Yoghurt in 2003, opposed, arguing that "Yoghurt" is "extremely popular on Google and Yahoo!". Tony Jin supported, countering that "Yogurt" is "much more popular ...". Nobody contested Jin's claim that "Yogurt" is much more popular.
1094:- oh, my bad, I forgot that an extra h can occasionally blind people. hmmm... There is no clear reason - poppularity has never been used - otherwise there would be a lot less American/British English controversies. The article has been stable until you guys insisted on bringing it up
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as created by Editor01 on Dec 11, 2002. Editor01 is indisputably the "first major contributor". A scan of the actual content of the first article indicates that Editor01 used "yogurt" (no-H) exclusively. The article persisted with this "no-H' spelling for one year and 14 days.
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There are 14 "Support" votes (plus 1 for the proposer) which is equal with 15 "Oppose" votes. No one side has at any stage been more than two votes ahead. It's a tie - and it looks like remaining a tie as well. I therefore suggest closing the vote, I doubt much will
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moving it back to its original name. Knowledge policy is not to switch from one acceptable spelling variant to another, so Yogurt should never have been moved to
Yoghurt in the first place, and that move needs to be undone. --Angr/comhrá 10:25, 17 May 2005
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page by PBS, which led to him being blocked by another admin. All this was discussed in an AN/I which brought more attention, editors, and support to the proposal. Soon the discussion clearly achieved a strong consensus in favor of moving the article to
621:"Nobody was watching the article the first time. But clearly someone was watching it this time, because it was posted instantly on the Knowledge talk:UK Wikipedians' notice board, and there is an unusually high number of people opposed to moving it back."
631:"I've noticed nobody's cited another important source for title conventions: naming conventions, specifically section 1.6, which states "Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things." "
1999:. Discussion proceeds for a month, includes the development of a table of arguments in favor of each alternative which shows that the pro-Yogurt arguments clearly dominate, the proposal is RM listed on October 17, and closed on October 27 as
516:: Google and Yahoo are estimations of the popularity of a spelling and not meant to be directive. For purely linguistic reasons (which I shall outline below), yoghurt is the more appropriate spelling. --Gareth Hughes 10:50, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
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English Dictionary. As much as "Yoghurt" appears more natural to me, I must support this proposal. Rje 01:55, May 13, 2005
314:"If the Google test is used as the justification to force the American spelling in this case then it could be used to force the American spelling in all cases and non-American spelling would be removed from the Knowledge."
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Yoghurt is the spelling commonly used in Commonwealth countries. Yogurt spelling is only used in American English (I think Canadian English has a different spelling). – AxSkov (T) 11:56, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
2094:"Restore comment that typifies reaction of many editors to title since it was changed in 2003 - for every one that comments here there are surely countless readers who react similarly w/o commenting)"
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1468:) (American - user page says he lives in Washington D.C.) closing the discussion on July 5 as not moved but suggesting it be revisited "a while from now", with the following comment:
1163:--they appear to have some style in use that is not simply a matter of preferring British or American usage -- we can't really draw any conclusions about their decision to use yogurt.
717:. Article is in British English and should use the most common spelling in Britain. It's also the original spelling (as the article notes at the bottom), jguk 22:00, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
791:"Yawn, yawn, yawn - this old chestnut again. Just leave the article where it is - there's a redirect from "yogurt" anyway, so no-one's going to not find the article or get confused,"
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clause - I assert that there is no reason to argue that yoghurt/yogurt is inherently British/American/Australian/Turkish/Timorese. Hence this clause does not apply.
533:. The argument that it should conform to American rather than British spelling is not a valid argument to move it in my opinion. -- Joolz 13:55, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
2173:)) closed the discussion on the grounds that it was too soon after the last one. This led to an edit war (reverting and reclosing the discussion), and even a
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I claim "crusty old-timer" status by virtue of having fooled around here for nearly 8 years. And for the record, I personally spell it "yogHurt".
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There doesn't seem to have been a valid reason to move it from the original title, so support putting it back. Demi T/C 07:23, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
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somewhere. Please take my word for now. If I am specifically challenged on this point I shall go and research more thoroughly.)
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moving it back to yogurt which is closest to the original Turkish spelling and the most common on google. NoAccount
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595:"Yogurt" is much more popular on Google and Yahoo! Tony Jin | (talk) 20:33, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
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is under attack again for not using the American spelling"
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1037:"sorry, but we don't need a poll. See the archives"
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2102:December 2-10, 2011 : RM #8 - finally moved to
1760:. This change is reverted in about 3 hours by
1653:September 23, 2010: Spelling discussion started
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2022:Talk:Yoghurt/Archive_5#Move_page_to_Yogurt
1230:was proposed on 17 May 2007, and rejected
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568:"Yogurt" is not just an American spelling!
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1671:) posts in a new section entitled
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463:- Clawed 12:03, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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1182:(2004), pp. 587 f.)
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