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terribly surprised to find that further series will not be commissioned but I'd like to hear one way or the other if this is known. I realize that it may not be known, given that negotiations between the writers and the TV executives could come to an agreement at any time, even after a show is - apparently - dead. Still, if something is known, I'd really like to know, even if it bad news.
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reason for this is, referring to the Prime
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I'd say it's a good idea to split out the 2013 series, as that really is a completely separate production with an entirely different cast made many years after the original. As for the original series, there are arguments on both sides, but really other than
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changes, in terms of production they're essentially a continuation. You'd need to make sure that a sequel series article has something new to say in terms of production changes and so forth as the current article is very much written as an overview of both series.
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