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matches what the event actually is. As a standalone article, it shouldn't entirely rely on the master article for its general information. If it's a race matching the champions in various areas of racing, it should say so. If it involves certain kinds of cars, it should say that. (I doubt Nascar is involved, for example.) I'd like to suggest adding a sentence at the start of the
Participants section that specifically addresses this, citing the sources you mention (especially the first one, even if it is a primary source), which people reading the hook can then refer to. (A shorter version of that section for the article's lead would also be appropriate.) At the moment, there's no article sentence I can point to that's the equivalent of "best drivers in the world" in the hooks, and there needs to be. A list of participants alone is not sufficient for this hook.
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noting when I strike hooks, so anyone reading this review can determine when it happened. Regarding ALT3, can I ask which sentence in the article, and which source, did you feel supported "best drivers in the world"? I expressed my concerns about it earlier today, yet your review did not address them, and I think it should have. If that hook were so say "some of the best drivers in the world", I think the foxsports.com.au source would support it, but "some of" (or a like phrase) is not used in ALT3. Thanks.
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Tito, I've just realized that this article makes a lot of assumptions about the reader's knowledge, and it simply can't do that when it comes to hook facts. First, there is no description—not even in the intro—of what this race is. "Race of
Champions" is a title; it is not safe to assume that a title
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December 26, and you made a good point there. However, the hook was still visible, and it's always a good idea to strike out (put a line through) hooks that are no longer valid, so the person who promotes it doesn't mistakenly assume the bad hook is still viable. I make it a point of
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As the article itself has no images, the nomination can't use any: by DYK rules, any image must come from the article in question, and must be licensed via
Creative Commons or some other method, not be "fair-use" images. If properly licensed relevant images are added to the article, then one of them
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I'm sorry; but "good to go" when there are specific issues regarding hook variants is not sufficient. Which hooks are approved must be made clear. Note that "pictured" will need to be removed from all hooks as no pictures have been supplied here, nor are there any pictures of the relevant people in
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You can see above I showed my dissatisfaction with the sources multiple times. This was a tiring work. On 25 December, you found the mentioned paragraphs were sourced. But, I still want to see one source for "The Track" section! I don't know who is going to add it since nominator is on a
Wikibreak
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the hooks that have been proposed, their citations, etc. That way, the person promoting the article knows which hooks are supported and which are not: there isn't time to keep coming back to ask about other hooks and their citations. Please finish the review, which means reviewing ALT2 and ALT3. I
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which was presented at DYK. I have mentioned a number of issues in this month starting with "prose limit (1500 characters)", citation (multiple unsourced paragraphs/tables] (long talk), image! In my opinion, in this review we are working much much more than what we do in other
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There are three images that can be used, all being on the front of the respective pages and all falling under the guidelines - that of
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Grosjean added to both the article and this template, nothing can be pictured.
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read the comment of 26 December above! You are commenting on "this year" today which I mentioned on 26 December! And that meant those ALTs are not applicable now or needs to be rewritten and if rewritten or new hook is added, I can review that/those too!
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To clarify, in order to qualify for DYK, a new list article like this one must have at least 1500 prose characters—usually presented as introductory material—in addition to subsequent lists and/or tables. This one is far short of what is required.
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TheOriginalSoni, I'm afraid that's backward. Pick the image you want in the article and add it there, and then add it here and adjust the hooks to match. I have deleted the three images as they are not in the article and thus still ineligible.
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ALT3 is also alright! Other (eliminated) hooks need revision (i.e. not ready)! Back to the comment above (which was misunderstood unfortunately), if those hooks are revised or any other new hook is suggested, I can check those too!
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It looks like sourcing was fine, but new unsourced paragraphs on ROC Asia and ROC Thailand have been added, and need to include citations. On the plus side, the article is now well over 1500 prose characters.
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