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Townhall @ the White House?) presumably he also has a presence on Twitter beyond his own feeds? Perhaps that would also be relevant for inclusion under the article title; (2) with millions of followers it seems a notable social phenomenon - but the article lacks any kind of analysis; what is the impact of this, the political significance? sadly many of your best sources, such as
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As I was asked to give an opinion on the picture, I am not some one who moves things to the prep area. My personal preference is no picture. Lots and lots of my DYKs with pictures go into the prep area with out pictures. I don't see it as a big deal either way. If the person moving it to the prep
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on AFD. Likely, it may be rejected, or it may not. However, we have a long battle, and, if I were a reviewer, I would not allow this to pass because it lacks commentary. But Tony here... ugh. I don't know when we can be civil to each other. Therefore, I'll leave this nom to someone who has no
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The last time (and one of the few times) I stronly suggested a picture be used, it got over 25K hits. I think that this one could also get 10-20K as well with a picture. That is why I am asking opinions on the
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Senator twitter account in 2007, 2008 and 2009. I do not know what that account is. It would not be considered notable unless we could document it in
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P.S. Laura, please don't make wild baseless accusations that I do this all the time when you know it isn't true. There is a word for stuff like that.--
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