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Swedish tennis champion worked as a banker, so what? Also, while the article mentions his Olympic career in the lead, it fails to detail his Olympic career or even mention it as far as I can see in main
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The hook is better, but I'm not that confident about the sourcing. There is a "who is who" source that lists
Charles with a son named "Bertil" born 25, and other sources that confirms that a person named "Bertil Wennergren" was this and that, but no sources connects those two. For all we know, there
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Swedish source, but I don't know the language and I don't know the Swedish government system that he was part of. Since
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section is unreferenced and wikipages don't serve as refs to each other anyway). So there's no proof they are related and not just a coincidence. They bare a rare name but they could have been born as Smiths. It works like this here based on common sense. In my case on the contrary we have at least
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It's all good, you're probably right. Although many biography entries in
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Swedish players can register for it. International is what the word means. It works like this in every other sport. I think it'll do if I wikilink
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