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435:"In 1952, Anderson carried out some remedial work on the murals but requested that no further work be done during her lifetime. She died in 1958. By the 1980s the murals had deteriorated so much that the chapel had to be closed. Large sections of the paint were being lost as a result of crystalline salts on the wall surface forcing off the painted plaster and gold leaf. With a grant from the Heritage Council of New South Wales, the chapel was restored in 1992 with work done by skilled conservators under the aegis of International Conservation Services." – this is sourced to 399: 137: 161:. Were it removed, it would be easy to move the image of Mary and the infant Jesus to the right, thus eliminating the jarring contrast between it and the wider quote box below (And while I understand what was being thought by making the boxes gold, I seem to recall that adding any background color without a very, very good reason is also an MOS no-no). 444: 471:
This source lists pages 3–24 as verifying the material. Page ranges of over 20 pages make checking sources difficult. The citations should be broken down into small ranges of no more than two pages if the information is spread out through 20 pages. Based on my spotchecks, the last two sources of the
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I have moved the quote box to the right and the main image to the left. I prefer to have the Mary and Jesus image separated from the gallery ones because it is an individual composition and also one of the best paintings in the set. Is this arrangement satisfactory, do you think? And also, I don't
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Wow! Wonderful! Thanks for this Orlady. I'll add this reference (and also go to the library to borrow the book). On another point, I have taken two other pictures that clearly show the unfinished Harbour Bridge on the mural and I would like to add them to the gallery on the article since the text
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specifically refers to that imagery. However, I do not know how to put the four related pictures in a row underneath the other two (that is, arrange two rows of pictures in the gallery). Does one of you (Daniel or Orlady) have the time to explain this to me so I can do it? Thanks
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The reader can now more easily related the renamed "imagery" section to the lines in the text of the carol - which I believe is necessary to show alongside the images of the murals as they are illustrative. I've also removed the gold colour of the quote
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I've included a brilliant reference for the conservation section (the Diakowska-Czarnota article) which I will use to develop the article further, but for the moment it greatly increases the verifiability of the article and DYK
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Much better. Is there any sort of source we could find for the "Imagery" section, like some sort of guide? I suppose we could say this is verifiable by walking inside, but we do need to try.
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Your prompting on the full text of the carol made me realise that I had the title wrong. Now with the correct title we see that there is no article for that specific carol.
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Pictures of children and of yachts on the harbour, taken by the well-known photographer Harold Cazneaux, were used by the artists to help with details of the scene
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Pictures of children and of yachts on the harbour taken by the well-known photographer Harold Cazneaux were used by the artists to help with details of the scene
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I've rewritten the text that the hook refers to, to make the link to illuminated manuscript explicit. In doing so I've also removed that quote box.
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And even given that, the article is underreferenced. The entire "Artists" section is unsourced, as is the last several sentences of "Conservation".
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Good catch, although nothing, of course, would stop us from actually starting one as well. But that's something for another DYK.
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I still would like to see the text of the carol not squeezing the article text. Could it be on the right below Mary and Jesus?
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know how to make the gallery into two rows. Thanks for your assistance with this. The comments were very helpful.
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History and length are OK. But nowhere in the article does the text actually say it's painted to resemble an
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The layout is clunky, too. Even though it is in the public domain, I submit that the complete lyrics of "
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This feedback has been very helpful, thank you Daniel! I've tried to address your points. Specifically:
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article are verified by page 19 of the source, though I am not sure about the preceding sentences.
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Good. Sorry to take so long to review this; I had a busy weekend with limited Internet access.
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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below.
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http://www.sjks.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=82&Itemid=60
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Please advise if these changes are sufficient for accepting this as a DYK. Sincerely,
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and then know enough to make that inference. Perhaps the hook should be more direct.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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Australian Institute for the Conservation of Cultural Materials Bulletin
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I think once we do something about the quote box placement, we're good.
340:) 03:05, 21 October 2011 (UTC) Yes, you can walk inside :) 432:
The second paragraph of the "Imagery" section is unsourced.
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I found a partial description of the images in this
443:Diakowska-Czarnota, Anna; Werstak, Arek (1994). 412:as were photographs of the Sydney Harbour Bridge 64: 8: 126:). Self nom at 04:32, 11 October 2011 (UTC) 65:Children's Chapel, St James' Church, Sydney 497:Failed DYK nominations from October 2011 439:, which does not verify the information. 402:Close paraphrasing and sourcing issues: 7: 24: 427:photographs of the harbour bridge 18:Template:Did you know nominations 397: 135: 484:) 22:39, 13 November 2011 (UTC) 363:) 19:38, 25 October 2011 (UTC) 301:) 17:46, 17 October 2011 (UTC) 263:) 17:46, 17 October 2011 (UTC) 236:) 17:46, 17 October 2011 (UTC) 210:) 17:46, 17 October 2011 (UTC) 172:) 18:27, 11 October 2011 (UTC) 1: 414:and other harbour landmarks." 348:23:47, 25 October 2011 (UTC) 286:03:20, 12 October 2011 (UTC) 60:18:33, 15 November 2011 (UTC) 375:23:47, 25 October 2011 (UTC) 323:01:43, 18 October 2011 (UTC) 164:In short, this needs work. 45:Knowledge talk:Did you know 37:this nomination's talk page 513: 32:Please do not modify it. 41:the article's talk page 142:illuminated manuscript 96:illuminated manuscript 88:... that there is a 155:I Saw Three Ships 127: 504: 464: 462: 460: 401: 353:this Google book 139: 117: 94:painted like an 91:chapel in Sydney 52:The result was: 34: 512: 511: 507: 506: 505: 503: 502: 501: 487: 486: 485: 458: 456: 442: 102: 85: 83: 79:Article history 67: 61: 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 510: 508: 500: 499: 489: 488: 476: 475: 474: 473: 466: 465: 440: 433: 430: 415: 395: 394: 393: 392: 391: 390: 389: 388: 387: 386: 385: 384: 383: 382: 381: 380: 379: 378: 377: 376: 329: 328: 327: 326: 325: 324: 305: 304: 303: 302: 276: 275: 274: 269: 268: 267: 266: 265: 264: 248: 247: 242: 241: 240: 239: 238: 237: 221: 220: 216: 215: 214: 213: 212: 211: 195: 194: 179: 178: 177: 176: 175: 174: 120:Whiteghost.ink 115: 114: 113: 112: 100: 99: 82: 81: 76: 74:Back to T:TDYK 70: 68: 66: 63: 50: 49: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 509: 498: 495: 494: 492: 483: 479: 470: 469: 468: 467: 454: 450: 446: 441: 438: 434: 431: 428: 424: 420: 416: 413: 409: 405: 404: 403: 400: 374: 370: 365: 364: 362: 358: 354: 350: 349: 347: 343: 339: 335: 331: 330: 322: 318: 313: 312: 311: 310: 309: 308: 307: 306: 300: 296: 292: 291: 290: 289: 288: 287: 285: 281: 277: 271: 270: 262: 258: 254: 253: 252: 251: 250: 249: 244: 243: 235: 231: 227: 226: 225: 224: 223: 222: 218: 217: 209: 205: 201: 200: 199: 198: 197: 196: 192: 191: 189: 188: 187: 186: 185: 184: 183: 182: 181: 180: 173: 171: 167: 162: 160: 156: 151: 147: 146:Book of Kells 143: 138: 134: 133: 132: 131: 130: 129: 128: 125: 121: 110: 107: 106: 105: 104: 103: 97: 93: 92: 87: 86: 80: 77: 75: 72: 71: 62: 59: 55: 48: 46: 42: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 457:. Retrieved 452: 448: 426: 422: 418: 411: 407: 396: 163: 152: 149: 118:Created by 116: 108: 101: 89: 53: 51: 31: 28: 455:(3–4): 3–24 334:Daniel Case 295:Daniel Case 273:worthiness. 257:Daniel Case 230:Daniel Case 204:Daniel Case 166:Daniel Case 459:12 October 406:Article: " 369:Whiteghost 342:Whiteghost 317:Whiteghost 280:Whiteghost 159:MOS:IMAGES 417:Source: " 491:Category 54:rejected 423:as were 109:Comment 478:Cunard 357:Orlady 425:also 58:Panyd 16:< 482:talk 461:2011 361:talk 355:. -- 338:talk 299:talk 261:talk 246:box. 234:talk 208:talk 170:talk 124:talk 373:ink 346:ink 321:ink 284:ink 56:by 43:or 493:: 453:19 451:. 447:. 421:, 410:, 69:( 39:, 480:( 463:. 371:. 359:( 344:. 336:( 319:. 297:( 282:. 259:( 232:( 206:( 168:( 122:( 98:? 84:)

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