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article is about “Lake of the Woods” which mean every time the subject is sited it the text with a “the” in front of it and a common verb (e.g. "is" or "was") after it, you will find a sequence of six matching words. Here are the 4 longest phase matches: 1) …the lake was restocked with rainbow trout, brook trout, and kokanee salmon…”—note that 7 of the matched words are the result of listing 3 fish species in the same order, each fish taking two word to properly identify plus an "and" to connect them; 2) “…Lake of the Woods Resort
Company to build a resort at the lake…”—note that “Lake of the Woods Resort Company” is a single proper name so those 6 words must be always be used in that sequence in order to properly identify the company; 3) ”…one or more sucker species may have been native to the lake…”—one simple thought that would be hard to say any other way; and my favorite duplicate text “…Land Use and Fisheries History in the Lake of the Woods Watershed…” which never actually appears in the article text—in fact, this is the title of the reference article and is copied word for word in the footnotes as you would expect to properly site that source. Also, ran comparison looking for less than 10 word matches and got thing like “…interviews with fishermen who visited the lake in the…”, “the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife concluded that…”, and “…water is lost through groundwater seepage and evaporation…”. If I need to change some words I will, but when the matches are all phases and usually the results of multiple word proper name (e.g. "Lake of the Woods Resort Company"), or list of common things (e.g. "rainbow trout, brook trout, and kokanee salmon"), or title of reference sources (e.g. "
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burned down and construction on a replacement began" and "Oregon State
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Have changed both sentances cited above. One now reads: "In 1951, the resort was destroyed in a fire, but was quickly rebuilt and reopened for business." The other new sentance reads:"In 1947, researcher from Oregon State
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No, as Gerda's alt hook includes both articles as bolded, using it would require that both articles pass review, and the second still does not. Further examples of problematic phrasings: "In 1951, the resort building burned down and construction on a new resort was begun" vs "In 1951, the resort
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I've pinged Nikki on this so she see it quickly. Nikki, are you ok with this change? Let's either post with both bolded if you are, if not, let's post with only one bolded. Either way let's finish this and stop dragging it out. This nom has now been here over a
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nineteenth century, before any non-nature fish were introduced into the lake." Are any other changes required? ...or just unbold the lake artcle, if that's easier.--
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