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415:. After reading the article I knew from my own knowledge that the City Hall station had natural sunlight coming in, so I knew that much was wrong. Wired is generally considered reliable, but clearly off here. I find that a bit innerving considering the factual error could have made it's way to the main page by now.Anyway, you could shift some words around, but using the term "skylight" would evidently be only truly accurate way to put it, albeit also much less-exciting in a factual sense. I'll try to find something better, but for now I'm scratching the other candidates and moving it as the primary one. Thanks 783: 584: 454: 338: 723: 863: 356:
I have another proposed hook, because technically "the first time natural sunlight has shone on any underground New York City subway platform" is wrong, because there are ventilation shafts in some of the shallower subway stations, and the sun definitely shines through these ventilation shafts (take
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I've added an alternate wording. To provide further clarification, the word "underground" is not redundant as there are above-ground New York City subway platforms. I think this is a really interesting fact but am having trouble conveying it nicely. I want to make it clear we're saying that this was
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Last sentence of the article. The "since closing of the City Hall" part is inferred. You won't see mention of it in the source, but that's because the source failed to realize that the original City Hall station had skylights. That station closed in 1945, and I've just added another reference
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The "puppies and flowers" source I just grabbed from the City Hall article. It merely supports that the City Hall station had skylights, one can simply look at a picture to verify that. Anyway I've replaced it with a better source. I still think between the three sources ALT5 is suitable and
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Two months have gone by and the review is now longer than the article (another one of those extended hook discussions - all of which have been struck). So square one...new enough (same day) and long enough (1.7k). Sourced, neutral with no apparent copyvio. QPQ not needed since nom has
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Caution. Do not make a comment unless you really want to hold this up... again. I can confirm that the last alt (number 6) is correct and cited. All other aspects are discussed above. Can we let this one go to the main page?
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opened in late 2014. There may be a better way to word the hook, any suggestions are welcomed. This is my second DYK nomination ever. I plan to do more and when I get a bit more confident I will give back and review other
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You are right about the ventilation shafts, I didn't think about that, despite riding the subway daily... so I guess we need to drop some of these other hooks and reword a few articles based on the apparent inaccuracy of
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I think, basically, unless we have a reliable source (so, no puppies and flowers) which states the fact explicitly, we should not use it as a hook fact. Something else, sure, if it's reliably sourced, but not the hook
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can verify that the original City Hall station indeed had natural light hitting the floor of the station. So, between the three sources, we can definitively support ALT5 as fact. Hopefully that clears things up.
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Alt4 is now the primary hook, the other alternatives striked. What else do we need? The information is easily verifiable, and well-sourced in the article. I'm not that familiar with how DYK's are reviewed.
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a ride on one of the numbered lines in Midtown Manhattan and you will see what I am talking about). I will also note that the "Sky Reflector-Net" is not built over any subway platform, but rather in the
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commissioned the "Sky Reflector-Net", which upon completion was the first time natural sunlight made contact with an underground New York City subway platform in nearly 70 years?
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commissioned the "Sky Reflector-Net", which when completed shined the first natural sunlight an underground New York City subway platform had seen in nearly 70 years?
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source's description of the artwork: hundreds of aluminum mirrors and daylight that travels four stories below ground could make a decent hook, I think.
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And thanks to some brilliant design work, the $ 1.4 billion project also connected parts of the deep, dark system to natural daylight for the first time.
190:–commissioned "Sky Reflector-Net" reflected natural sunlight onto an underground New York City subway platform for the first time in nearly 70 years? 663:, which only shows when the original City Hall station closed. The Wired source you are referring to was incorrect in saying "... daylight for the 36: 557: 387: 291: 226: 176: 290:–commissioned "Sky Reflector-Net" marked the first time natural sunlight has shone on any underground New York City subway platform since 17: 811:
commissioned "Sky Reflector-Net" uses a 53 foot (16 m) skylight and hundreds of aluminium mirrors to provide light to the
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53 feet? The sunlight travels 93 million miles! I think the focus should be on the mirrors and the date that it opened.
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ethos, and that it's only implied in its former state, it seems like this would work nicely instead. Want to tweak it?
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No problem. The last part of this new hook, the part saying "the skylighted City Hall station" could be reworded.
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given their superiority in these matters. If they're cool with it then it gets a big-fat AGF tick from me.
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to do something useful for once and do a review.(I can't because I'm partly responsible for the hook.)
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verifiable, and the more interesting fact, but leaving this DYK nomination at the mercy of you all.
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Thanks, Crisco; I've struck ALT5 per your comment. I've also just made a few edits based on the
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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main building, over a bunch of retail spaces. I think what you mean is
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that included "skylights" closed in 1945. The Sky Reflector-Net in the
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If E-genius will do any rewording needed to ALT4 first, I'm asking
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I'm convinced but I'm going to leave the final say-so on this to
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I also apologize for any confusion. The new source was actually
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Have I missed the mark? Is it too late to promote this now?
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I can't see ALT5 being referenced but I might be stupid.
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the first time sunlight hit a subway platform in the
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Be patient, MA. 32:Please do not modify this page. 535:Yeah, I'd like to alter ALT4: 430:22:57, 25 February 2015 (UTC) 184:... that upon completion, the 66:  09:12, 3 May 2015 (UTC) 1: 838:) 19:12, 27 April 2015 (UTC) 823:) 14:57, 26 April 2015 (UTC) 552:in any operating underground 386:station since the skylighted 325:18:08, 25 February 2015 (UTC) 273:00:35, 17 February 2015 (UTC) 175:station since the skylighted 753:) 12:37, 24 April 2015 (UTC) 738:) 06:41, 24 April 2015 (UTC) 714:) 05:26, 24 April 2015 (UTC) 595:) 17:25, 14 April 2015 (UTC) 509:) 18:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC) 465:) 15:49, 15 March 2015 (UTC) 702:15:43, 21 April 2015 (UTC) 649:15:16, 21 April 2015 (UTC) 606:14:11, 20 April 2015 (UTC) 573:) 01:30, 6 April 2015 (UTC) 284:... that completion of the 225:: To clarify, the original 45:Knowledge talk:Did you know 37:this nomination's talk page 906: 852:19:15, 27 April 2015 (UTC) 772:16:02, 24 April 2015 (UTC) 683:15:29, 21 April 2015 (UTC) 628:14:45, 20 April 2015 (UTC) 532:20:59, 4 April 2015 (UTC) 875:) 18:53, 2 May 2015 (UTC) 813:Fulton Center transit hub 492:18:03, 4 April 2015 (UTC) 382:built in any underground 171:built in any underground 117:Find sources (notability) 92:Earwig's Copyvio Detector 41:the article's talk page 488:or it's closing time. 206:... that in 2014, the 195:... that in 2014, the 830:, what do you think? 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