415:. After reading the article I knew from my own knowledge that the City Hall station had natural sunlight coming in, so I knew that much was wrong. Wired is generally considered reliable, but clearly off here. I find that a bit innerving considering the factual error could have made it's way to the main page by now.Anyway, you could shift some words around, but using the term "skylight" would evidently be only truly accurate way to put it, albeit also much less-exciting in a factual sense. I'll try to find something better, but for now I'm scratching the other candidates and moving it as the primary one. Thanks
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I have another proposed hook, because technically "the first time natural sunlight has shone on any underground New York City subway platform" is wrong, because there are ventilation shafts in some of the shallower subway stations, and the sun definitely shines through these ventilation shafts (take
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I've added an alternate wording. To provide further clarification, the word "underground" is not redundant as there are above-ground New York City subway platforms. I think this is a really interesting fact but am having trouble conveying it nicely. I want to make it clear we're saying that this was
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Last sentence of the article. The "since closing of the City Hall" part is inferred. You won't see mention of it in the source, but that's because the source failed to realize that the original City Hall station had skylights. That station closed in 1945, and I've just added another reference
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The "puppies and flowers" source I just grabbed from the City Hall article. It merely supports that the City Hall station had skylights, one can simply look at a picture to verify that. Anyway I've replaced it with a better source. I still think between the three sources ALT5 is suitable and
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Two months have gone by and the review is now longer than the article (another one of those extended hook discussions - all of which have been struck). So square one...new enough (same day) and long enough (1.7k). Sourced, neutral with no apparent copyvio. QPQ not needed since nom has
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Caution. Do not make a comment unless you really want to hold this up... again. I can confirm that the last alt (number 6) is correct and cited. All other aspects are discussed above. Can we let this one go to the main page?
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I think, basically, unless we have a reliable source (so, no puppies and flowers) which states the fact explicitly, we should not use it as a hook fact. Something else, sure, if it's reliably sourced, but not the hook
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can verify that the original City Hall station indeed had natural light hitting the floor of the station. So, between the three sources, we can definitively support ALT5 as fact. Hopefully that clears things up.
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And thanks to some brilliant design work, the $ 1.4 billion project also connected parts of the deep, dark system to natural daylight for the first time.
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No problem. The last part of this new hook, the part saying "the skylighted City Hall station" could be reworded.
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