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more essential problems are addressed. The reasons why I would not address them directly without discussion are the following: 1) I know next to nothing about the subject, and could risk making inaccurate changes. To familiarize myself with the topic may require more time than I can spare for these nominations. I'm not being arrogant, I'm just saying I would rather focus on other issues (for instance, I am currently mostly writing an entirely different entry, upon the request of another user). 2) If we "just fix" the problems without a comment, users unfamiliar with the format may not notice what we did, and how we did it, and why we did it, and the learning part of being helpful gets wasted. If we don't show people those guidelines they're unaware of, they never become aware, and they never improve their style.
328:: if one just gives page numbers but does not specify the edition/publication year of a book, it will be impossible to find that citation unless one guesses the edition right. Now I also notice that the Siharas article has a vague citation to "Department of Modern Indian History (1965). Journal of Indian History (Universities of Allahabad, Kerala, and Travancore) 43: 377". This is absurd, because the author and the name of the cited article, that is to say
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I am certain that there was no plagiarism. When I edited/restructured the article, I revised multiple sentences, and, it seems, may have added some extra spaces unintentionally. There may, however, be some quotes left un-cited. This would be entirely my fault, and I will check those over at some
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Additionally - and I don't want to make too much of it, articles that have random gaps in the text such as these ones (open them in the editing window and see what I mean) are sometimes indicative of a cut and paste job from the source. Plagiarism is also not welcomed by DYK. I'm not saying this is
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It is not my intention to bring these entries down, nor do I want you to withdraw the nomination; I want to point out the problems, and perhaps help fix them (per your suggestion). I would love for these articles to be cleaned up, and I actually think a better hook can be found, right after those
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meaning one of the many, patrilineal ruling clans of northern India and some parts of
Pakistan"). I cannot help but note that the citations used are redundant (the title of the book is given three times in one article) and vague in the essential bits - what year or edition? (if they have several
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224:, large portions of text are uncited, including a quote (by whom?). Finally, the hook is way bland: "did you know that a guy who ruled over an obscure place tried to make himself better known by allying himself with another guy?" That's what guys, kings and chiefs included, do all the time.
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I'm not sure if this is a topic of interest to you, but if you are willing to help format some of the sources, please do. The majority of the works cited should be accessible through Google Books.
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