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Borussia is "unbiased" aren't neutral at all. In fact they point out to serious POV problems, since it implies other research
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I too share concerns over NPOV in this article. Terms such as "defiled" and "murdered" are more loaded than "destroyed" or "killed". NPOV applies even to the greatest war crimes, so we should be careful how we phrase things. Sentences such as "Borussia is a Polish
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