643:. Page 337 says "Of the approximately forty women's magazines that emerged around the end of the nineteenth century, accompanying a proliferation of women's associations, Kadınlar Dünyası was the only women's magazine to introduce an explicitly feminist agenda and rhetoric to the Ottoman press…It was the first magazine to publish a photograph of a Muslim woman and the first owned by a woman, and whose writers, press workers and readers were all women." I've added the reference to the article and looked up/reformatted the "isbn"s that were redlinks. I was hesitant to change the citations suggested above; however, I noted the comment to the hook citation to a journal. Looking that up, there is no article from 2014, 2015, or 2016, written by Serpil Çakır, as per
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330:) brought the draft to my attention as something to work on, Bookku do you have access to the source that GGT thinks is the likely proper source for this fact (Osmanlı Kadın Hareketi), or do you maybe know an editor who might?
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I am unsure who to ping here to resolve the issues and I don't want to step on anyone's toes, so I've taken a stab at pinging folks. Apologies if I misidentified anyone who should/shouldn't have been notified.
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Source: Çakır, Serpil (2016). Kadınların Özyaşam Öykülerinde Kadınlık ve Öğretmenlik
Kimliklerinin Kuruluşu: Emekli Kadın Öğretmenlerle Mikro Düzlemde Bir Sözlü Tarih Çalışması. p. 135.
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