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No, that is not what I'm saying. I do think that software like GDebi, which is not significant to the distribution in any sense, should be removed from the template if obsoleted. What makes it relevant to Ubuntu history as a whole? Software gets replaced, and if the template were to list every piece
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can be used by any project including ones in no way related to Ubuntu (i.e. a
Windows audio editor). The official Ubuntu main page has no link to Studio alomnside the K, X and Edu links. I also notice at the bottom of its site it says "Ubuntu Studio ©2007 Canonical Ltd." - However why has the site
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these are hosted at Ubuntu, by Ubuntu, and are quite clearly internal. UbuntuStudio is doing package selection and is similar to
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and it seems incorrect to categorize either relationship as "unofficial." They are derivatives outside of the company and are done in partnership with
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