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Part of the reason it's so simple is so that it should be easily understood by any idiot, and is by most of them. It's not always easy to keep to it, particularly when under attack yourself, or when you don't understand the other view and so the
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We probably could not come to consensus without this. Or even if we did, we'd never know for sure whether we had, or whether it was just that the guy with the thickest hide was the only one left standing. Not good.
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If it doesn't really matter to you, then let's not overreact. The job is not to write a perfect rulebook, it's to write the best possible encyclopedia. Too many rules just waste time both writing them and
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Of course some of us have thicker hides than others. That doesn't give us any right to say to the others, grow up, be a man, it's only a very small insult. Knowledge (XXG) should be a safe place for
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We could in theory come to consensus without this one. It would just take longer, and discourage people along the way, and probably be the end of Knowledge (XXG).
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If the rule is generally useful but this is an unusual case, get consensus on that and follow common sense to recognise this as the occasional exception. Simple.
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But even a mild personal attack on someone who shrugs it off as harmless lessens Knowledge (XXG). It sets a precedent that others will follow. Not good.
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It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Knowledge (XXG) contributors. This page is not an encyclopedia article, nor is it one of
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have proved remarkably successful. Not perfect, but definitely towards that top end of the scale that runs all the way from
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Knowledge (XXG) works best when everyone makes an effort to follow the rules, including and especially those they don't like
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edit this one. But it's generally more helpful (and polite) to discuss the proposed change on its talk page first.
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This usefulness would be reason enough to have the rules. But it goes further. The smart money is, the rules are
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when they disagree. In the extreme that editors only obeyed the rules they agreed with, the rules would have
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in building an encyclopedia. And on closer inspection it's not as strange as it seems, mainly because the
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Insulting or disparaging an editor is a personal attack regardless of the manner in which it is done.
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rule is wearing thin. And a mild personal attack is not always a hanging offence. Not by any means!
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a bad idea to break this particular rule, and a good idea to try your best not to break it.
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The rules are a communication device written by you, not a textbook written by someone else
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There's no wiggle-room at all, and it's like that for a reason.
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If it matters to you but you can't get consensus support,
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editors are prepared to make an effort to obey the rules
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When you disagree with a rule, there are four options.
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Even if not quite so blatant as that, personal attacks
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the primary way decisions are made on Knowledge (XXG)
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etc. and lots of other things that might be seen as
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User:Andrewa
essay
Knowledge (XXG)'s policies or guidelines
thoroughly vetted by the community
belong
may
policies
guidelines
templates
Ignore all rules
Consensus
wp:Creed#consensus
Assume good faith
No personal attacks

consensus

get on with the job
shouldn't
change it
reading them
good of the project
rant
Knowledge (XXG):Communication not power
User:Andrewa/The senility of Knowledge (XXG)
User:Andrewa/The Prime Directive
User:Andrewa/The Knowledge (XXG) Creed
Category
User essays

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