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Good question. I haven't decided, and I don't think Knowledge (XXG) has, either. Ten years ago the understanding of notability on Knowledge (XXG) was different than it is now. Like many of Knowledge (XXG)'s core notions it has stabilized as the project has matured, but I suspect in another ten years
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Why does it do this? For one thing, the GNG is exactly what it says it is: a general guideline. No general guideline can be dispositive in every situation, and the GNG acknowledges that. More importantly, though, the GNG acknowledges the limits of coverage in assessing notability. Coverage does not
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Referencing the GNG in notability discussions makes sense, of course. But when that happens it needs to be a part of a complete statement that engages with the core concepts and advances the level of discourse, rather than a substitute for it. When you write about notability, write notably.
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notability. Aware of its own limitations and the limitations of coverage, the GNG claims insight, not authority. It doesn't tell you what to think about notability; it suggests how you should think about notability. It's where you should start, not where you should end.
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Coverage does not always imply notability. At least monthly the news media in the United States fixate on some "human interest" story at the expense of notable topics. It receives significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of it, but that makes it
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it will be different again. It will probably be more inlcusionist in some respects and more deletionist in others. Perhaps we'll have an entirely new way of thinking about it that makes the inclusionism–deletionism dichotomy feel antiquated.
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Sort of. The media and the subjects of these stories both want our attention and our dollars, and their joint interests lead them to collaborate in creating these ephemera. But that's another rant.
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In the meantime, we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard when assessing notability. It requires more than checking three boxes and writing 200 bytes. No more "Keep; passes
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essentially adopt the GNG as a sufficient condition for notability in their areas and then suggest other ways to prove a subject is notable in the absence of GNG-level coverage.
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If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list.
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It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Knowledge (XXG) contributors. This page is not an encyclopedia article, nor is it one of
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condition for notability, when in one little word the GNG itself announces that it is not to be used in that way.
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At the same time, lack of coverage does not always imply lack of notability. Other guidelines like
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Assume the assumption of the assumption of the assumption of the assumption of bad faith
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Thus, while coverage and notability often go together, neither implies the other.
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I admit that I have done this. It was wrong. I am trying to do better.
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The most widely cited and most widely misunderstood piece of Wikitext
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User:Doc glasgow/The BLP problem
User:JoshuaZ/Thoughts on BLP
User:Kirill Lokshin/Professionalism
User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters/Academic and artistic biographies
User:This is Paul/Articles concerning criminal acts
User:Mattinbgn/BLP considerations
User:SirFozzie/BLP-Lock
User:Steve Smith/Semi-protection of BLPs
User essays on deletion
User:Mangojuice/Administrators are not slaves
User:AleatoryPonderings/Systemic bias in deletion discussions
User:Angela/Deletion

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