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Francis Payne - club secretary/football club secretary: "In 1898, Francis Payne had been given a sum of £1,000" - should be 1899 (tapping up controversy at the same time) Miscellany shows George Neil as Club Sec in 1899-1900, but
Essential History (p24) describes "football club secretary Francis
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their early kit images now but unfortunately are now circularly referencing
Knowledge, the change to the "Villa" kit seems agreed to be pushed back to 1904. They also have images of the badges from the various era's, showing 1964 is the first appearance of the modern castle on the FA Cup shirt.
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On "disused grounds of london" site. coords don't look to be right as the ground was probably on the other side of the road (not where
Memorial Park is now) - two letters in old programmes suggest it bordered Ladysmith Road (footnote p32). John's research on this is ongoing in terms of absolute
278:"In 1896, the team were evicted from their ground after the council revoked their groundrent and as a result spent over a year playing their home games on the home grounds of other local sides including those of Milwall and Tottenham" - Incorrect - never played at Millwall or Tottenham
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Dandridge: I've changed this. The para in IITB p31 "For the 19856/97 season ... Edward Hatton from Reading along with Frank Dandridge and Peter Davie". Can I take that to mean that all three players were signed from Reading at the same time?
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WestHamStats reports George Neil actually signed for TIW in 1897 and was allowed to play for us while still a West
Norwood player. Can I assume the signing was at the beginning of the 1897-98 season and appearances before that were 'guest' apps?
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If you don't mind, thought I would add to the bottom. For "eviction" is probably my liberal interpretation of the event. Other amendments on West Ham history, happy for the clarifications. Regarding kit, looks like
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I've now changed from Wiliam
Chamberlain to Fred. We currently have him with a previous club of Old Castle Swifts, but I can't see where this is referenced from. He isn't listed on the OCS page as a known player.
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London League - WH didn't use this for reserves. It was used by FL clubs as a reserve comp from around 1898-99. WH competed in it until 1903-04 and fielded first-teamers throughout.
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origins - syd king wasn't manager until 1902, Lew Bowen was "Secretary/Manager" from 1900-1902, joining mid-season (Irons of the South, p15)
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There could be an issue with the photo of George Sage. John now thinks this is Fred
Chamberlain (i.e. the two are the wrong way round).
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According to pages 20 and 24 of IITB, Barnes was technically a South West Ham player when he played for us in the WH Charity Cup Final.
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Belton's West Ham kit 'story': Unlikely. Other sources don't corroborate and some contradict, but we'll probably never know the truth.
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crest - castle added much later (prob 1977-78). Castle never included on handbooks of the time and certainly not on shirts.
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Hammers.
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Payne" strenghening the team. EssHist is wrong about this. Payne didn't sign those players, Neil did.
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Ironworks employee in IITB,
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318:1899–1903 kit wrong - 04-05 - start of "villa" kit
148:William Chamberlain: should be Fred Chamberlain
229:Stevenson, captained arsenal for only 1 game
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98:Clarification/timeline on colours needed.
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135:Billy Barnes: prev club - South West Ham
38:No ref for 'The Castles' as a nickname
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