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fan. That's so you know I'm not writing this to pick on the geeks. Articles regarding individual episodes of Star Trek, individual supporting characters of Star Wars, and every other "individual" thing you can think of are neither necessary nor encyclopedic. I hate to burst some people's bubbles, but
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The only decent idea I can think of to combat this problem is to create a
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Schools are not abstract, they are buildings that serve as conduits for education. Schools are like grocery stores, office buildings, and restaurants; they're buildings that serve a specific purpose. While the purpose is notable and encyclopedic, every building that serves that purpose is not.
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