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external source. You say it is part of a noteable group and it gains noteability whenever the group is refered to, like a magazine might have the article: "The BCAFL, whose members include the
Washington Tigers and the Surrey Stingers, will be sponsoring a team in the marathon to raise money for lukemia." That would be a trivial reference, nothing to do with the team itself. If you can prove that Surrey Stingers is noteable by it's own merits, rather than just because it's part of a group then I'll stop complaining and let it stay.
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that just because you want to disregard their arguments, you're right? All you've said is that the
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Knowledge rules, but you are yet to note a single rule that this page does not conform to despite numerous requests, you keep on going "aginst the rules, against the rules!!". When someone stands up in court they are charged with an individual law violation not just
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This debate is a mess, it's become more about my tone and calling me petty than it is about the page. The bottom line (And the top line, if you'll look at the topic instead of worrying about my tone) is that I do not think this team is noteable on its own. The fact that there are other pages out
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The following is a discussion about the deletion of a wikipedia page. Surrey
Stingers The page is about a university sports team that is so small and unimpressive that even members of that university have not heard of it. If someone living opposite the team's home field has no idea who they are I
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Well, since you are the one that brought this issue and the article has existed without problem for well over a year, I would think that the burden is on YOU to prove non-notability. Plenty of points have been made above by MLA, Black Falcon and
Jckivington to support notability. Are you saying
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I'm going to begrudgingly accept your verdict on most of the disputed matters for the sake of a civil discussion but you've still not addressed the primary concern, this team is not noteable according to wikipedia's rules on noteability. The only reference given is the team's own website not an
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Referenced, Likely to be Unreferencable, Non-Neutral Point Of View, Not noteable, Limited (And poorly written) Content(And unlikely to be improved given the rarety of edits), insufficient context for those unfamiliar with the subject, self promotion, and also Not Noteable. See
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Their evidence of noteability is not valid according to wikipedias rules, which is what I said from the start. No one has provided evidence that is valid by wikipedias rules on non-trivial external references and the incredibility of forums. I'm just going to give up now because this is getting
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So I will say this again: Why have you singled the
Stingers out for this treatment? There are several other BCAFL teams that are even less notable than them but you have left their pages alone. The fact that you are a Surrey student makes this seem like a petty vendetta against the Stingers
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You may only vote once, your additions did not make the page significantly better and did not address the main concern that the team are not noteworthy and do not deserve a page. Also, because you want some information to be preserved somewhere does not mean it should be on
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I think it's pretty presumptuous to say that even though you're the only one who has a problem with the page, you get to decide whether to "let it stay". Sometimes people don't agree with you (in good faith). Tone like this does nothing to win support for your argument.
330:. The article identified the team as a member of BCAFL and also had an infobox for further clarification. Insufficient context criticisms are applied to cases where the identity of the subject of the article cannot be adequately determined given the existing text.
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This just seems to contradict the rules of wikipedia. Homer
Simpson gets his own page but Apu's children do not get individual pages because they are not noteable, they are part of a combined page. Perhaps a few BCAFL pages should consider being merged into, say,
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Actually, this line of inquiry could be considered relevant if there is a possiblity that you are approaching this discussion from a position of bad faith. Regardless, it seems like closing this issue is in order given the path and results of this discussion.
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Was proposed for deletion previously and the tab removed with the reasoning that there are several other football pages out there. See also the 'Bellsprout' debate and remember just because a similar page exists doesn't mean that page SHOULD
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British American Football teams anyhow? I know with Football its the first ten layers of the pyramid or something like that, is there similar rules for American Football?
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So the original point of not being noteable has not been addressed and somehow the page remains. This is a gross injustice and is an example of why wikipedia's deletion procedure doesn't work.
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Lastly the magazine First Down features news and game reports for EVERY TEAM in BCAFL, they do not have a web page but I will buy an issue and scan the
Stingers page if it will calm you down.
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As you are the nominator, it is generally assumed that you support deletion. It is alright, though not necessary to write "delete" once again. I only note this because you did the same to
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You were quite rude when you suggested it for deletion. (Maybe I was, maybe I wasn't but that doesn't change the article and it's the article we're here to discuss)
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The group is noteable so the team must be. (I think this is illogical, by the same token every branch of Tescos, Sainsburys and Argos could have its own page)
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So I'll say this one last time. I do not think the Surrey Stingers are noteable enough to warrant a page on wikipedia. Can anyone find proof that they are?
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The group may be noteable but this team is not... see the Surrey Stingers Discussion page for an explanation of why this is an important distinction.
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I want the information to be kept...somewhere. (Dissobays wikipedia's rules, wikipedia is not an indeascriminate collection of information)
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I have asked an Advocate to help with this situation, hopefully that will clarify why the Stingers are or are not Noteworthy.
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The first link is the page for the Creative Writing Society, the second link is for the homepage. Basically just go to
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The sources were the only reasonable attempted to validate the page. However, they are not valid by wikipedia's rules
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www.touchdownclaymores.com The former Claymores website contains a lot of BCAFL information, mostly in the forums.
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www.hot-iron.co.uk A website about Scottish teams, but it does include information about opponents.
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