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ChildofMidnight was grandstanding by championing the problem editor, saying the editor was right to criticize the Obama article and its editors, and refusing to let other editors close the unproductive discussion that resulted. In my judgment at the time, and now, the best thing to do was to calm everyone down, explain to the newbie exactly why there were rough waters on the talk page, close the discussion, and proceed elsewhere with any content proposals or behavioral complaints. And the worst possible response was to whip up the flames by endorsing the new editor and showing him that getting into arguments and revert wars on the talk page is a legitimate response to the perceived Obama censorship cabal. I would have made a friendly request to cut this out on
ChildofMidnight's talk page, but ChildofMidnight had already reverted comments there as "trolling"
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specifically directed to me. Several other editors had made far-reaching observations on how we were managing the talk page and article in the wake of the Aaron Klein incident, and the discussion had turned towards the question of how relevant Obama's past association with unsavory individuals from
Chicago was to his biography. I took a step back to put these biographical details into the context of the article. That response took me quite a while to write. I was taken aback and quite puzzled when ChildofMidnight deleted my comment. In light of ChildofMidnight's already long history of attacking me as a bad faith editor, this seemed like stalker-ish harassment in continuation of a grudge. Rather than challenging ChildofMidnight on it and starting yet more Wikidrama, I simply reinstated my comment, noting the "weird disruption".
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we were firm with newbies who criticize other editors, and the background on why there is an everpresent concern over sockpuppetry. Scjessey was wrong to be sarcastic, but dressing him down in front of an impressionable newbie (assuming good faith rather than sockpuppetry here, an open question) was not the way to go. I restored my comments once because I was, again, taken aback by
ChildofMidnight's seemingly unwarranted deletion of my comments - but when ChildofMidnight deleted them a second and third time I refused to join in, instead asking
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article probation, this is an Obama-related issue because the currency of allegations against
Khalidi is almost entirely a child of partisan tactics during the recent election cycle to draw connections between Obama and various individuals, while claiming those individuals were former terrorists. Calling Khalidi a PLO official who lied about his past was a way of disparaging Obama as (to use Sarah Palin's words) "palling around with terrorists."
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beginning "this is a blatant whitewashed version of Mr. Obama" to the end of a closed discussion. I politely acknowledged the post, and moved the archive end template from just above it to just below it. Surely no new discussion was required on whether
Knowledge (XXG) is a whitewash or not, particularly when there were many other threads simultaneously open at the time on this complaint.
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The more common "Don't you dare delete my comments, you troll" approach would have been a little incendiary so I kept it simple. It was weird, and it was disruption - and both comments served a purpose: "weird" to indicate that I did not understand it and considered it inexplicable, and "disruption"
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I fail to see how "Thanks for your comment - it has been assimilated" is aggressive. I was actually trying out a supportive approach to dealing with unhelpful comments as a way of calming editors incited by Aaron Klein's complaints. The IP editor, in its only known edit, had added a short complaint
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it, in hopes that would settle the matter. I believe that is a correct way to handle this. ChildofMidnight's championing
Likwidshoe over this incident and defending Likwidshoe's name-calling as "pointing out inappropriate hostility" after the matter was settled and apologized for suggests a problem
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Retitling threads is common practice. As shown on the evidence page consolidating, retitling, and moving a large number of threads kept things orderly on the Obama talk page. In this case I retitled a thread from "Editors and administrators are suppressing dissent....this is a very troubling trend"
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ChildofMidnight has the wrong editor. The AN/I report was a request for help to calm an edit war
ChildofMidnight fomented on the Obama talk page - exactly what AN/I is for. I was not "advised to be respectful and civil to other editors". Scjessey was. The comment by QueenofBattle in CoM's diff is
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I also don't get the "uses provocative thread titles to smear me like 'BLP'" reference - that seems to be a tit-for-tat counter-accusation picked up from this case. I'm normally very careful to use short, neutral section titles, but if there is a BLP concern on a talk page or warning note, I would
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Regarding other AN/I threads I certainly did not start them all. If anyone cares to review
Childofmidnight's record in detail they will find frequent AN/I reports because he/she engaged often in blockable disruptive conduct, and got off only through some combination of mudslinging and blind luck.
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My second comment was addressed to administrator Mfield who, despite the best of intentions, was interrupting a talk page conversation to criticize the article patrollers. Mfield, unfortunately, had put talk page management and managers at issue on the talk page, so I explained there in detail why
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contention that a
Knowledge (XXG) cabal was censoring material in defense of Obama. I let most of them stand so that we could explain, but consolidated them and improved the headings, and closed some after everyone had their say. I believe the process and my edit comments and summary are textbook
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who only edited Obama-related articles. Posted a series of trollish proposals that in hindsight seemed to be for purposes of incitement: Obama is not a US citizen, bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, one of the FAQs is a "lie", Obama's half-brother was accused of a sex assault, Obama unpopular in
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and socks. When an editor who is the subject of a noticeboard case launches false accusations against other people on the notice board, as here, it diverts attention from the real issue and bogs the process down to the point of paralysis. Jumping in to make accusations tangential to a case, as
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The BLP vio comes because the sources are partisans, editorials, and blogs, and the disparaging claims that
Khalidi is a former PLO official material and printed "fabricated quotations" in his political writings is not faithful even to those sources. Although the Khalidi page itself is not under
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and socks. When an editor who is the subject of a noticeboard case launches false accusations against other people on the notice board, as here, it diverts attention from the real issue and bogs the process down to the point of paralysis. Jumping in to make accusations tangential to a case, as
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Again, ChildofMidnight documents his/her own tendentious editing as a claim against me. The reason I made the post in the first place is that Scjessey had been inappropriately sarcastic and harsh with a newbie editor who had made a mildly inappropriate new post, and the editor was now inflamed.
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That is a logical fallacy, expressed (it seems) as gratuitous sarcasm. Many editors archive, move, close, and retitle comments on the Obama talk page to keep the page orderly, among other things to remove copyright violations, and calm free-for-all insult wars. If you look at the talk page this
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claim on the page at the time had two threads where discussion had already started on that topic. In my judgment adding a third, more combative, fork to the other two was likely to create a talk page mess and was unlikely to further any discussion. Soon after, Axmann8 was blocked four times in
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If anyone cares to review Childofmidnight's record in detail they will find frequent AN/I reports because he/she engaged often in blockable disruptive conduct, and got off only through some combination of mudslinging and blind luck. Each time I seem to be the diversionary scapegoat. Adding a
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This has been going on for five months! I'm skipping a bunch of intermediate accusations but shortly after joining the project, Childofmidnight was already dcoaching another difficult editor how to insert a BLP violation on an Obama-related page, declaring that I am a "tyrant" and "bully" who
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policy applies to that at all, but on an intuitive level, a long discussion of the article page becomes soapboxing only if it advances a personal opinion without trying to improve the article. However, here I was responding in a conversational way to friendly questions and comments that were
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ChildofMidnight has his/her editors wrong again. This is the same as complaint #4, above. The editor was clearly using the Obama talk page, in the middle of the Aaron Klein fiasco, to make Klein's point that Knowledge (XXG) editors were engaging in whitewashing and censorship. There was no
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ChildofMidnight misunderstands the phrase "off Knowledge (XXG)". I was studiously careful there, as usual, to be civil to my fellow editors. My reference is to partisanship "off" wikipedia (i.e. people other than Knowledge (XXG) editors) and cast no stones about anyone on Knowledge
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to separate the portion of an AN/I thread dealing with ChildofMidnight's behavior from the inevitable accusations against me and others is, counter to ChildofMidnight's claim, helpful organization, not refactoring. Dealing with ChildofMidnight's frequent accusations of bad
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to separate the portion of an AN/I thread dealing with ChildofMidnight's behavior from the inevitable accusations against me and others is, counter to ChildofMidnight's claim, helpful organization, not refactoring. Dealing with ChildofMidnight's frequent accusations of bad
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Outside of Arbcom's earshot ChildofMidnight declares me a "disgrace" and a "joker" plotting with other editors "off on some IRC channel" for "bullshit and game playing" and "making the latest round of false accousations and trying to block good faith editors" I don't agree
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made an unprovoked and uncalled-for personal attack, calling Brothejr "nothing more than a sycophantic Obama ass-kisser." I probably would have left that one alone but two other editors had already deleted this attack and Likwidshoe was edit warring to reinstate
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Although the disruption stopped, it was not entirely avoided. The editor is an SPA with a suspicious editing pattern that could have been dealt with sooner. No sign that the prior blocks and warnings had an effect, but the editor may have stopped
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made in article talk space and on meta-pages, has been an unwanted chore that sours me on participation in the project. It is also unpleasantly familiar. Attacking me at AN/I, then villifying me for participating there, was a favorite trick of
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made in article talk space and on meta-pages, has been an unwanted chore that sours me on participation in the project. It is also unpleasantly familiar. Attacking me at AN/I, then villifying me for participating there, was a favorite trick of
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it is possible for talk page deletions to be improper. Many other editors, not just me, have objected at times when ChildofMidnight has deleted good faith attempts at discussion calling them "grandstanding", "soapboxing", and similar
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Embarks on long-term campaign to remove questionable content comparing Obama's speaking style to Ronald Reagan, with aggressive edit summaries (e.g. "just liberal fantasy from a few partisan writers").
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Deleting this comment was the right thing to do. As documented above, article patrollers regularly remove redundant and fringe discussions from Obama talk pages - this was well within that practice.
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ChildofMidnight has done many times, has a similar effect. ChildofMidnight's claim that this or any other AN/I case vindicated ChildofMidnight, or impugned me, is dubious at best.
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ChildofMidnight has done many times, has a similar effect. ChildofMidnight's claim that this or any other AN/I case vindicated ChildofMidnight, or impugned me, is dubious at best.
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is an imperative, not an offense. The entire contents of the post I removed were a provocative thread title, followed by a link and then a cut-and-paste (the third that day - see
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actionable proposal in the post, it was entirely a criticism of other editors for "blatant censorship". It was duplicative of several dozen other posts that day that voiced the
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with incivilities ("Knowledge (XXG) seems to be like the Nazi Regime of Facists to control information, you can't even question their partisan facts of their dear leader PBHO.)
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Here's another long posting that disrupts a discussion of improvements needed in the article while W.D. launches into another lecture unrelated to article improvements.
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normally use that abbreviation. COM has certainly committed and then edit warred over some very serious BLP violations, for example this cascade of edit wars
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