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there is no regular standard. Because normally such sections, keys, colors, and other indicators describing current playoff clinching scenarios would not exist in the long term. It is only that in
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There are 6 events, all of which are within the last 400 years. 5 of which are within the last 200 years. 3 of which are within 60 years of this year. That says nothing of the word "variety". We have currently an extremely monotone set of facts because they are all more or less in modern history.
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criterion to fall back on when in doubt. It is a challenge to balance all of the other subjective criteria on a regular basis, such as being limited to only show 5 or 6 events at a time; trying to judge what events are "the most important and significant" since one person's top five is not
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If you would have taken the time to do some research instead of making reckless accusations about sock puppetry, you could have checked both of our talk page histories and contributions and seen several conversations between the two of us, plus noticed a
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I understand why it was deleted, but some of the information I posted was for personal reasons and I would like to know if I could obtain the page for personal use. I know admins can see deleted pages and was wondering if you could do me a favor here.
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Most of the articles. More specifically, any route marker image whose default normal size was not a thumbnail. Somehow that "browse_size" parameter was poorly coded so it actually would generate
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