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trying their best to eliminate us. No coverage of electronic or print media is allowed to us. Newspapers & media give coverage to us only when they want to defame or disgrace us. Moreover, people like Mehdi
Foundation (www.goharshahi.com), who doesn’t belong to His Holiness Sayyedna Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi but they pretend to be just as a conspiracy to defame His Holiness and they present self-made version of the teachings of His Holiness Sayyedna Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi, which is blasphemous and provoke people against His Holiness.
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not gone anywhere but present in this world. Can't you see that there is ALLAH ALLAH in your hearts just because of this great holy personality. I would request moderator of this page to remove information that would mislead new people to join this line. The
Zakreen are not united due to which Sarkar Shah Sahib is avoiding to show all the signs, however, if all get united then there is no doubt that Sarkar will be among us as before. I have personally met His Holiness Gohar Shahi many times during last couple of months . Thanks Kamran
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I don’t want to violate any policy and that’s the reason I repeatedly take your advise and instructions. What I want is to re-write this article, however, if you feel that I am not doing well, I will seek your guidance, still if you think that the new version of the article is poor in information or
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I am surethat you people believe His
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As I stated in my edit summary, making incremental changes will be more amenable to improving the article, as it would allow more easily the selective evaluation of new or changed content. As it was, your huge change made it functionally impossible to keep some of the smaller adjustments that may
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I would like to tell you that I want this article to be the best on Wiki but whatever information is provided is declined or replaced by wiki admin with no good reasons. You can not write an article with a reference of each single word. You should understand that in
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Holiness Sayyedna Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi and International Spiritual Movement Anjuman Serfaroshan-e-Islam are two different things; I want you to keep them separate and don’t merge together. If you ask about my preferred version of
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Even if this individual is accepted by Sufis, putting something specific to him this article is a little ridiculous. Are we going to include the execution of Hallaj as well? Let's keep these specific things to his article.
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you've been working on is a giant promotional tract with little encyclopedic information. It's completely esoteric, it's littered with extensive external links that can only be meant to advertise the sites, and there's no
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